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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2013 18:45:07 GMT -5
Did you use the shorter 50 series radiator core again?
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Post by deez on Nov 17, 2013 21:41:51 GMT -5
Yeah it's just a GP50 series radiator.
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Post by MitchGDRMCo on Nov 17, 2013 21:59:29 GMT -5
I'd leave the fuel tank as is (keep the range) and just balance the unit with ballast.
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Post by deez on Nov 18, 2013 1:20:13 GMT -5
I think the SD49 will have shorter fuel tanks but the SD59's will have full size tanks. I'm really liking the SD59 alot. I hear it was in EMD's catalog but never ordered by any RR. I'm sure like mentioned before that EMD would have been up to building any type of 12cyl locomotives needed.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2013 2:58:48 GMT -5
I can only assume that with the end of the fuel crisis that roads stopped considering fuel consumption and just wanted the horses?
To me 12-cylinders makes all the sense but I'm not in control of a budget.
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Post by MitchGDRMCo on Nov 18, 2013 3:44:42 GMT -5
It's not a fuel saving thing, it's allowing a locomotive to go further on a tank.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2013 16:06:29 GMT -5
I was thinking about the fuel consumption of 12-cylinders over 16 rather than the capacity of the tank if that's what you mean?
Having thought about it the longer tank makes more sense.
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Post by emd16645 on Nov 20, 2013 18:00:45 GMT -5
So the talk of this about the SD49 got me wondering about how my freelance line could use some. After a bit of deliberating, I decided that a set of SD59s would fit better with my 710 engined fleet. So here is the SD59 I created, lettered for my Canadian subsidiary Alaska, Yukon & Southern.  The prime mover would be a 12-710G, also located in the rear of the carbody is a Cat 3408 diesel generator set. Like the Alaska RR, my road uses some HEP equipped locomotives to provide power to a Keep From Freezing (KFF) setup on container trains. These units can also be utilized on passenger trains, but are only for emergency situations. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2013 18:23:08 GMT -5
I like that extra generator idea, also what is the extended cab all about? Is that like the BN GP50's?
The GP59 has three radiator cooling fans so you might want to add another?
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Post by emd16645 on Nov 20, 2013 18:57:21 GMT -5
It's a cab off a BN GP50, haven't quite figured out the backstory on that, but I thought I would be cool. I was aware of the GP59 having three radiator fans, as I started on the drawing it was gonna be a SD49, I later changed the designation. I figure with the units built for alaska service, that the third fan could be omitted with a higher flow rate through two fans.
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Post by MitchGDRMCo on Nov 20, 2013 23:15:11 GMT -5
Well I've given advice so I thought I'd put up rather than shut up...the SD59 idea piqued my interest so I did my own. My interpretation follows what I think EMD would have done should a customer have asked for a 12cyl 710 powered locomotive. I started with the SD60, cut two doors from each side of the engine compartment (SD60 has 2 lots of 4 for the 16-710, SD59 would have 2 lots of 6) and I cut the length down to accommodate. No other mods were done.  |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2013 5:19:25 GMT -5
It's a cab off a BN GP50, haven't quite figured out the backstory on that, but I thought I would be cool. I was aware of the GP59 having three radiator fans, as I started on the drawing it was gonna be a SD49, I later changed the designation. I figure with the units built for alaska service, that the third fan could be omitted with a higher flow rate through two fans. It was an alternative to the caboose I believe, putting all of the train crew in the locomotive. Don't think it was much of a success due tobthe reduction in train crew sizes. Sent from my GT-I9100 using proboards |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2013 5:20:50 GMT -5
Well I've given advice so I thought I'd put up rather than shut up...the SD59 idea piqued my interest so I did my own. My interpretation follows what I think EMD would have done should a customer have asked for a 12cyl 710 powered locomotive. I started with the SD60, cut two doors from each side of the engine compartment (SD60 has 2 lots of 4 for the 16-710, SD59 would have 2 lots of 6) and I cut the length down to accommodate. No other mods were done. So this would be like the SD50S but a 12-710 prime mover then. Its cool tgat you keep the short frame, I like that but I do like the porches that deez worked into his drawings. Sent from my GT-I9100 using proboards |
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Post by MitchGDRMCo on Nov 21, 2013 8:27:36 GMT -5
That body probably could go on a normal SD60 frame and thus gain porches...
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Post by emd16645 on Nov 21, 2013 10:54:57 GMT -5
It's a cab off a BN GP50, haven't quite figured out the backstory on that, but I thought I would be cool. I was aware of the GP59 having three radiator fans, as I started on the drawing it was gonna be a SD49, I later changed the designation. I figure with the units built for alaska service, that the third fan could be omitted with a higher flow rate through two fans. It was an alternative to the caboose I believe, putting all of the train crew in the locomotive. Don't think it was much of a success due tobthe reduction in train crew sizes. Sent from my GT-I9100 using proboards Yes, that was the reasoning for BN's purchase, I was undecided if I wanted to used the same reason, or develop another one. |
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Post by NS91 on Nov 21, 2013 21:11:07 GMT -5
This thread has got me wanting to build one painted for Southern. thesd80macbeast You could number it in the 4600 series after the GP39X's.
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Post by deez on Nov 22, 2013 0:03:19 GMT -5
I'm likin the drawings and ideas guys. I really think these two locomotives could take off especially in a freelance RR environment. That's what I plan to do. Who knows once we see one built they could be desirable to lot of folks kinda like the SD30.
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Post by MitchGDRMCo on Nov 22, 2013 1:45:02 GMT -5
Sadly I've got no need and the closest I'll get to a 12cyl loco is a repowered SD70M on the GDRMCo....
But yes, quite an interesting thread, bring on the Tuxedo'd high hoods!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2013 2:57:19 GMT -5
This thread has got me wanting to build one painted for Southern. thesd80macbeast You could number it in the 4600 series after the GP39X's. The GP59's were numbered after the GP49's and as I want to model both I'll have to chose different numbers. I was thinking of numbering them after SD40-2's but I'll have to check how that fits the roster. Sent from my GT-I9100 using proboards |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2013 2:59:02 GMT -5
That body probably could go on a normal SD60 frame and thus gain porches... This is true. Kinda got hung up on the short frame for a minute. Your SD59 could be the new SDL39 sort of thing for RR's dealing with weight restrictions. Sent from my GT-I9100 using proboards |
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