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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2013 3:52:51 GMT -5
Hey guys I was thinking also as I was browsing the SD50 drawings. I'd like to do a Phase 1 standard production SD49. Just like KCS's #704-713. They are on the 71' 2" frame but with the early blower hump and thick sills. I've always liked these units too. For standard SD50's they are still very unique. I didn't know these had the standard blower bulge. I know KCS had 4 SD40X's that were experimental and they had it. They looked like the SD50S but with SD45-2B hatches over the engine compartment. Sent from my GT-I9100 using proboards
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2013 4:04:05 GMT -5
Ok here is my SD49 phase 1. I think this is a feasible representation of what the SD49 really could have been. Some of the KCS details are still there because I used the SD50 ph1 drawing but we can ignore that stuff. Let me know what you guys think. Slightly different around the clean air room to what was in my minds eye but it looks good. The only thing id say is that there are one too many doors under the radiators, the 50's didn't havevthat many did they? Oe is it because you've used a GP50 radiator compartment that is shorter? I'm definitely angling for the shorter version because as an NS fan I can pass it off as another ex-Southern 12 cylinde experiment. I'd likely end up painting a production version for NW if I made one just forvthe hell of it even though its not really an atypical NW loco purchse. Sent from my GT-I9100 using proboards
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Post by deez on Nov 10, 2013 14:34:29 GMT -5
Macbeast why don't you do the 49S version on the shorter fram?. I think both of us should be building these. This will be very cool to see them both being done! You should post drawings of yours too!
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Post by deez on Nov 10, 2013 14:37:07 GMT -5
Oh yeah and yes that is just a GP50 radiator section. I'm going to use that section for ease of building this phase 1 SD49.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2013 16:29:42 GMT -5
I've been looking at this and trying to figure out why it looks so good compared with other drawings like the one linked above. It's the porches thst make this look so good. I have to admit I've been pulling for the 68'10" frame because I didn't think the porches would work on a longer frame but they do. And the short radiator compartment definitely works better, everything looks in proportion.
If I build an SD49S I'm not sure whether I should go Southern high hood or NW, to go with the SD50S? I have a donor frame just need the shells but I have the rear of a GP60 shell I could use, I know it won't be quite right but it'll save some time. Might scratch the rest of the hood though to get the 8 doors correct plus I have the dynamic brake details already.
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Post by deez on Nov 10, 2013 16:57:09 GMT -5
Damn a high hood would very cool too. Idk the time frame for these units are when NW was going low hood. Either way will be cool. And yeah I dig the porches. I think they look right at home on these units.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2013 16:59:40 GMT -5
Damn a high hood would very cool too. Idk the time frame for these units are when NW was going low hood. Either way will be cool. And yeah I dig the porches. I think they look right at home on these units. Just edited the post above. Sent from my GT-I9100 using proboards
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2013 17:04:44 GMT -5
NW started ordering low short hoods on EMD's in 1980 with SD40-2's 6193-6207 and SD50S's 6500-6505. They also reconfigured for short hoof forward and front snowplows at the same time. They didn't purchase snd 4-axle units from EMD.
They had bern ordering short hood forward low nose GE 6-axles from 1978 I think.
Southern kept ordering high noses until the merger in 82'.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2013 17:10:09 GMT -5
Actually that's not totally correct, NW had orderd U30C's as low nose short hood forward, not sure when that was though.
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Post by chessie77 on Nov 10, 2013 22:13:01 GMT -5
Hey guys, I love the idea of the SD49. I think the ideas so far are really great. As for the N&W and when they switched to low hoods, it was the SD40-2 order in 1974, nos. 1536 - 1652. The 3 U30Cs came at the same time. These were still set up with the long hood as the front and bi-directional control stands instead of duel controls. The last order of SD40-2s in 1980, nos. 6189 - 6207. These units were the first N&W units with the short hood as the front and single control stands. They also had large snowplows. They were delivered in December 1980, along with the SD50S units.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2013 10:11:52 GMT -5
Hey guys, I love the idea of the SD49. I think the ideas so far are really great. As for the N&W and when they switched to low hoods, it was the SD40-2 order in 1974, nos. 1536 - 1652. The 3 U30Cs came at the same time. These were still set up with the long hood as the front and bi-directional control stands instead of duel controls. The last order of SD40-2s in 1980, nos. 6189 - 6207. These units were the first N&W units with the short hood as the front and single control stands. They also had large snowplows. They were delivered in December 1980, along with the SD50S units. David Your quite right, I got so focused on the switch to short hood forward I forgot that the 1975 order of SD40-2's actually had low short hoods! Sent from my GT-I9100 using proboards
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2013 10:02:07 GMT -5
Deez, realised I'll have a snag if I build the SD49S as a southern high nose, my donor has triple clasp sideframes which Southern didn't use so I might have have a think about building an NW SD49S and getting another donor for my Southern model.
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Post by Randy Earle on Nov 12, 2013 13:56:41 GMT -5
Instead of SRR or NW, you could always freelance a railroad that still uses high hoods. That's what we did with the Buckeye Southern.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2013 14:35:05 GMT -5
I've tried freelancing so many times and just can't quite seem to get the ideas off the ground before I slap NS and NW decals on something.
Maybe I could just do an NW high hood? I dunno...
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Post by deez on Nov 12, 2013 14:56:13 GMT -5
Hey macbeast, is that triple clasp underframe the C&NW one I traded you a while ago? We did trade right? I got the Conrail SD40 & WC SD45 from ya? Wanna trade it back lol? I need another triple clasp -2 underframe. If you go high hood. Go Southern. Even though I'm a big NW fan. The SD39X/SD49 would fit the Southern's locomotive buying trend better. I'm gathering up my parts right now to. I'm going to try and make this as simple as possible. Like a cheap build. I need another Rail Power Products SD60 shell.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2013 19:07:26 GMT -5
Its the UP one as I sold the CNW one on. What have you got for trade?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2013 19:12:55 GMT -5
Yeah I'm definitely diggin' the southern idea more, that high hood has appeal. I'm trying to make this cheap to, thinking I might use athearn shells but not sure, going to have to scratch the engine compartment from C&C doors or it won't look right. I've gotta sell a few more things before I can get all of my parts.
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Post by deez on Nov 13, 2013 13:20:01 GMT -5
You can cut the engine doors out of an Athearn SD50 and flip the 3 you need around to make the 8 + 22" door arrangement. It's not hard. In fact that's what I'm going to do. Hey I got a spare P2K SD50 shell. I think I'm going to whip up an SD59 also. It will be similar to the SD49 but have the unique ("59 series"wich is a different 8 door arrangement than the 8 doors on the 49 series) 8 engine door arrangement + the 22" door and a GP50 radiator unmodified with its 3 Q fans. Ill do the drawings in a bit.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2013 15:47:19 GMT -5
I don't have any shells to hand to cut up and having tried that before I didn't like it much plus I need to practice my skills with C&C doors as I've been planning to build an ex-demonstrator NS GP59 at some point using drawings, cutting the hoods from styrene and using C&C parts but I've never done it before so need a little practice.
I'll get some parts together but I'll likely work a little slower than you as I've a few other things to finish off first.
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Post by deez on Nov 14, 2013 0:28:01 GMT -5
Wait till you see these SD59 I made. These two 12cyl diesels would look so good side by side on my minds ready tracks. I'm just as excited to build this SD59 too! Does anyone know if the SD59 was in the EMD catalog also?
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