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Post by Randy Earle on Jan 29, 2012 13:56:06 GMT -5
Here's a video from Horizon on the new Genesis GP38-2.
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Post by antlorch on Jan 29, 2012 14:35:44 GMT -5
I think they are awseome, so many choices and varieties to make different models. This is a great idea and I can see many other engines being produced. Thank you Athearn....
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Post by Randy Earle on Jan 29, 2012 15:13:31 GMT -5
It would be nice if they offered an Undecorated Kit for the folks that like to do it themselves.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2012 15:30:54 GMT -5
Its always nice to see the manufacturers improve their products but lets see something different please. Plenty of GP38-2's out there from P2K and Atlas!
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Post by CentralVermontGuy on Jan 29, 2012 17:33:28 GMT -5
Absoultely awesome show! First time I went and I did see this "unveilling". The CN wide cab looks very good (no cab nose slope and the windows are pretty close.) It's many levels above Intermountain and is perhaps the start of a major Canadian prototype introdcution by Athearn??? Maybe a Draper Taper???
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Post by tjmfishing on Jan 29, 2012 17:43:23 GMT -5
Great time to be a Canadian modeller like myself
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Post by antlorch on Jan 29, 2012 19:50:18 GMT -5
The problem with the P2K and Atlas is the diminsions are so off on both of those engines it ain't funny. Those engines are fine for some but for the modeler who is trying to get the "total" feel of the prototype of the engine they are modeling Athearn has taken the bull by the horns with this engine and done things the other manufacture have not. This is also the foundation for a whole series of Geeps from them. I am assuming the GP40 and GP50 series as to follow behind the GP38-2's.
I hope this is the next step for all the manufactures to go to as we move into the future of model railroading.
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Post by iomalley on Jan 29, 2012 21:01:44 GMT -5
After IMRC and Atlas' fails on the CN widecab, this is a welcome relief!!
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Post by hazelton on Jan 29, 2012 22:12:15 GMT -5
Hate to burst anyones bubble ( it did mine) but I was told by one of the Athearn reps they were definitely not doing any type of Undecorated model. "it costs too much" is what I was told. Which makes no sense to me, opinions?
Pete
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Post by poweredby251 on Jan 29, 2012 22:57:59 GMT -5
Well, in a way it actually does make sense. Back in the 'bad old days' of one mold fits all model making, undecs were a snap. Just pull x number of units out of the paint line. But now to do these in undec, they would need to offer quite a few different body styles. Early body, late body, high hood, Canadian at least, plus other body options. Also, which (if any) railroad specific details to add or delete? Each would have to be a full run, just like any roadname, and I am sure the numbers of sales would not justify the effort and money involved. Does this make me happy? Hells no. But we need to accept the fact that as new models get more and more prototype specific, the running of undecs will surely disappear.
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Post by Randy Earle on Jan 29, 2012 23:20:49 GMT -5
Well, the new stuff won't be on this forum then, because that's not what we are about. I don't mind somebody showing a RTR unit that they have stripped or rebuilt, but RTR has no use on a Detailing Forum.
I guess the boobs at Horizon don't need the money that over 1000 members of the DD want to spend.
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Post by c415rock on Jan 30, 2012 0:05:02 GMT -5
No undecs is not a big surprise to me, I can not even count the number of times Athearn reps have told me, in there opinion there is not enough modelers out there to justify them. The RTR market is were the money is at.
With that said it disappoints me to see all the hoopla over this model, don't get me wrong they are very nice looking, but for a major unveiling you would think they could get the preproduction models to be correct.
You may ask me what are you talking about? Well this is the few things I see wrong. They are all with the Mopac unit. I am not a Mopac modeler but these are the glaring errors.
First the is a major dimple on the non db hatch fireman's side where the injection did not fill the mold all the way. In my opinion.
For the money they want for these units you would think they could take some putty and make it look good for the unveil.
Second is the Mopac logo and eagle on the engineer's side is back wards, with all the research they did they can't get this right?
The good thing is now there will be more old Blue box GP38-2 on the market for me to re power with Atlas drives, for the fraction of the price these units will cost. ;D
Erik
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Post by bcrmlw on Jan 30, 2012 8:28:36 GMT -5
Well, the new stuff won't be on this forum then, because that's not what we are about. I don't mind somebody showing a RTR unit that they have stripped or rebuilt, but RTR has no use on a Detailing Forum. So this means I can't post images of the 2 Athearn RTR SD40-2's that I added extra details to (tread plate, change pilots), re lettered and weathered? Remember Randy, just because it's RTR doesn't mean us detailers won't find some way to enhance the model, instead of pulling it out of the box and calling it good. I'm a firm believer that weathering a model is a form of detailing, and should be included on this forum. I'm excited about Athearn's announcement, since we will finally get a dimensionally accurate GP38-2. -Trevor |
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Post by antlorch on Jan 30, 2012 10:21:53 GMT -5
Well only when these engines come out will we know for sure if any undecs with will done or not. I am sure the reps dont know everything.If I recall I heard they where not going to be any GP15's undec either and look now,there are some so nothing is 100% just by word of mouth.
I think you mean Randy you dont want people posting just RTR stuff right out of the box on here if there is no intentation to have any kind of modtifcation done to them.. Not that you cant post them here at all...
Trevor your RTR has mods done to it so yes that is just fine to post. Yes weathering,painting,adding small or large amounts of parts is considered "detailing". The forum itself if amount "detailing" engines in general be it however you detail but it is not about just pull your RTR out of the box and go...
Most stuff made nowadays is considered RTR but still things need to have Detailing done to them to bring them closer to the look we want from them and this forum is about doing and showing what you have done for others to see and maybe learn something...
I hope this clears the air on the matter of RTR. All my engines started out as RTR stuff but I want more details added so I do that.I beileve even the latest stuff that is being made is just great and pull of details but they stiill neem more as the prototype has lots and lots of details on them.Heck the brass manufactors do even include all the details on a engine and llok at those prices,wow crazy. But there are people in this hobby that are fully happy with the brass and the details and the price..
So to those there own and if you have the want and the money then the world is only limited by yourself...(wow where did that come from,off the soap box)
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Post by kcs1967 on Jan 30, 2012 11:41:20 GMT -5
IMHO RTR simply means Ready to REdo, as I have seen few accurate models of my KCS, so with that I strip, rip, and won't trip, LOL. But saying that I realize, and have for awhile now that my GP30s that will be renumbered and fans updated are not technically for this forum. That is fine, because this is the Diesel Detailer, they are suitable for roster shots but not, features, I understand and respect that.
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Post by Randy Earle on Jan 30, 2012 12:36:36 GMT -5
Well, the new stuff won't be on this forum then, because that's not what we are about. I don't mind somebody showing a RTR unit that they have stripped or rebuilt, but RTR has no use on a Detailing Forum. So this means I can't post images of the 2 Athearn RTR SD40-2's that I added extra details to (tread plate, change pilots), re lettered and weathered? Remember Randy, just because it's RTR doesn't mean us detailers won't find some way to enhance the model, instead of pulling it out of the box and calling it good. I'm a firm believer that weathering a model is a form of detailing, and should be included on this forum. I'm excited about Athearn's announcement, since we will finally get a dimensionally accurate GP38-2. -Trevor Read what I said again Trevor, you must have not understood me. |
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Post by c415rock on Jan 30, 2012 13:11:28 GMT -5
I need to address a comment I made in a previous post on this tread.
As for me making the comment about the undecs, I should have said that I was told this buy many different executives from Athearn at trade shows not open to the public.
So yes Antlorch is correct nothing is 100% by word of mouth. This also dose not mean that they will not do them, but I will believe it when I see it.
The one thing this dose prove, is that Athearn and other MFG are gouging us with the prices of these products. And Horizon is trying to undercut it's dealers.
How can Athearn tool up new engines? With all of them having different features and offer them at the same price or lower of models tooled or produced years ago.
I do understand inflation and the cost of doing business, but at most the cost should go up 3 to 6% annually. In the profession I work in we deal with products that are traded daily on the world market which is all over the place. In the last 8 years, the largest single price increase was due to government imposed emissions standards, which was only a 6% increase.
So I don't understand how they can offer the GP38-2 units for the same price as previous Genesis units with no increase. Or how and why Horizon will under cut all the hobby shops buy offering the units at a much lower price to the general public, than they can get at there local hobby shop until the pre orders are cut off?
Plus if they can offer it these prices now, why can't they offer them at these prices all the time?
When is the last time you seen a company offer any new product at a discounted price before it even hit the market?
If I am wrong please correct me.
To quote Bill Engval Here is your sign!
They expect us to keep buying the snake oil they sell, but just look at the facts. Some thing stinks and it's not the mold release or oil. ;D
This is not just a Athearn issue most mfg a guilty of this, Walthers new E8's for example, what did they do them to justify $350.00 for a non sound set.
How can Bachmann offer FA's, switchers or Geeps with Tsunami sound for under a $100.00? I know they are not Genesis but with a little work, I bet you would have a hard time telling the difference between the two.
Well I guess I will get off my soap box now, but I did enjoy being on it. ;D
Erik
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Post by Randy Earle on Jan 30, 2012 13:20:39 GMT -5
Erik, you are right. It hasn't been that long since Athearn's product was produced in the US. We were told that production was moved to China so we could get better prices. So a $50 dollar diesel is now $200+!!!
The evil snake in the pit is Horizon, just another greed driven company that doesn't give a shit.
Irv Athearn was one of us. He made his products for folks like us. I'll bet he's ROLLING IN HIS GRAVE.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2012 14:00:59 GMT -5
Don't get me wrong, I welcome an updated line of loco's from any manufacturer, if Athearn followed with the 40, 50 and 60 series GP's I'd be delited. However, I have a slight bias against Athearn, even Genesis units, as I believe the motors and flimsy handrails are outstriped by superior products such as Kato and Atlas motors and sturdy handrails.
On another note, perhaps Athearn should consider producing a blue box style issue of these locos (with blue box prices), as an undecorated run. This way the likes of you and I can use them for detailing projects and the cost we would have paid for an RTR model can be offset by the cost of the details we would add to get a truely accurate prototype.
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Post by bcrmlw on Jan 30, 2012 20:03:49 GMT -5
Read what I said again Trevor, you must have not understood me. Sorry Randy, I didn't see the "detailed" part of your comment. My apologies. I do prefer the new Athearn Genesis stuff compared to the old blue box, sure I've got to spend a lot more on the loco to get it, but I remember the days of spending $80 on a blue box SD40-2 (the cheapest price I could find in Canada pre ebay) then spending double that (if not more) on detail parts, paint and decals. Even if they don't do undecs anymore, I've gotten used to buying painted models and stripping them to do up in other roads. -Trevor |
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