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Post by liquidfantasy on Jan 3, 2011 9:37:01 GMT -5
Hello all, I'm turning to the detailer cause I know we have the best of the best in here I need help in super detailing two CF-7's which are on it's way to me right as I write this. If you have a look at this picture, you can see several details the models miss and I want to add: www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=281295&nseq=5Can someone tell me the manufacturer and part numbers for the following items: 1.) The ditch lights (I want them to operate with DCC, so they need to fit an SMD LED into it) 2.) The high MU stand 3.) The small MU stand just beside the the ditch light on the engineers side 4.) coupler lift bars 5.) 4 chime horn? I somehow didn't have to deal with such contemporary details based on my post 1980 modeling and wouldn't know which is the best source for them. Are there any photo etched steps available to exchange the molded on ones on a CF-7? Any idea if the RFMP walkway tread can be made to fit? Any help is appreciated.
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Post by geep15t on Jan 3, 2011 11:33:02 GMT -5
looks like everything could be done with detail associate parts. The horn is a P5 with no middle horn. The only thing I can see is, the pin lifter would probably need to be scratch built. You could also use railflyer ditchlights.
Joe
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Post by c415rock on Jan 3, 2011 11:42:27 GMT -5
Denis This is what I would recommend 1. Ditch lights Railflyer DP6631 This is as close as you can get, looking in the CF7 book Ma&Pa's ditch lights look to be mounted on home built brackets. You should be able to use these. They are pre drilled out for lighting and you can modify the brackets for your use. 2. & 3. M U stands Detail Associates #1502 high & #1505 low4. Coupler lift bars Details West CL 316 & CL 317 you will need both one is a SP version both are for f-units. If you look at the photo link you will see the lift bar runs from under the coupler just like the f-unit. You need the SP version for the upper loops, this is as close as I know of a lift bar you will find unless you make your own. www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=326186&nseq=135 Air horn Miniatures by Eric H23 or Details West 369 or Details Associates #1603. The first two are fully assembled and will need to be modified the DA is in kit form. The only four chime air horn commercial available is Cal-Scale #190-426 is close but not the same layout as shown in your link. Photo etch steps Cannon 2022 this is as close as you are going to get to a cf7 step set. the CF7 steps are a little bit bigger than the standard GP7 step because it is home built. As for the walk way I would recommend Archer Fine Transfers this a raised resin printed decal. It would be easy to fit and going on a black walkway you probably would not have to paint it. www.archertransfers.com/AR88043.htmlHope this helps Erik
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Post by MONONC420 on Jan 4, 2011 8:48:00 GMT -5
For the horn, use Details West 369, I bought one of the Details associates kits and it was hard to get it assembled and it didnt hold up very well.
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Post by c415rock on Jan 4, 2011 11:16:10 GMT -5
I would concur the DA are a pain in the rear to put together. Last night when I was at the LHS, I came across Cal Scale #190-564 5 chime air horn. If you remove one of the bells it will look like the one on the MA & PA unit.
Erik
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Post by liquidfantasy on Jan 4, 2011 11:37:44 GMT -5
Thanks guys for the helpful information! Lucky me got all the required details on Walthers in stock, which makes it very easy for me to order them. I also got a bunch of Sergent couplers some days ago to test them which I will use for all my contemporary modeling as they look much better then Kadee's
I will have a look if i can make the Cannon steps fit to it, if not, I still have Ideas to built 2 GP16's in the future for which I may use them then :-)
*edit* The Cal_scale items are always hard to get cause Walthers doesn't have them in stock .. I try the DA ones and can switch to Cal-Scale at any time later when I get them.
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Post by liquidfantasy on Jan 21, 2011 4:58:10 GMT -5
OK, I got most of the detail parts so far. The GP7 steps from Cannon don't fit ... the ones on the CF7 are much wider. The DA horn will be a pain for sure, but I'll try my best.
Having the Model in my hands and comparing it to the prototype picture, I see a lot of minor differences now.
That Athearn model is very much off I would say. The operation live safer on the 1500 is wrong. The prototype has all capital letters and on the model it's not. The biggest problem will be the cab. The prototype features the window arrangements like the Round cab, but has an angled cab ... I have ordered two round cabs as spares from Athearn to may be kitbash the window section, But I have no idea when they will arrive and if it will be possible. There are no separate part numbers for the window glazing! I just hope the one part fits both cabs...
All the details on the cab roof, which are present on the ATSF models are not on the MA&P and YRC models... So I have to get those detail parts also somewhere ....
What a pain this project will be .... lol
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Post by liquidfantasy on Jan 21, 2011 13:14:19 GMT -5
True, A-Line has quite some assortment! The problem is the size .. I can measure the ones I would need, but I don't know what other locomotive types steps would be closest? May be if I post up the width of the steps I need for the CF7, some could help telling me which loco has "almost" the same widths to see which steps I could use?
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Post by liquidfantasy on Jan 24, 2011 5:13:14 GMT -5
I had a first look, going to be tough! I know it has 4 steps and that they are wider than on a GP40-2 (Which is the only reference EMD model I own to compare with) ... I will try to do a drawing for all 4 steps and get the dimension on it ... that could help.
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Post by liquidfantasy on Jan 25, 2011 5:36:17 GMT -5
I tried to contact Cannon but their response wasn't helpful. They also suggested to use the steps for the GP7 series ... which don't fit at all (they didn't pay attention that I was talking about and CF7 ...) However, does anybody own the #2008 (Side Step Set Athearn SD70-75 (4 step))? Would they fit? As long as they are wider I'm fine with, triming them down is no big deal ... I just try to avoid buying another parts worth 30 bucks (which includes shipping to Germany) which then later won't fit because they are not wide enough
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Post by c415rock on Jan 25, 2011 9:32:42 GMT -5
Denis,
I think the problem with the CF-7 is being it is home built unit by the Santa Fe shops. No one makes the steps for the unit, So that is why in my opinion if you want see thru steps you will need to either scratch build the steps to go the route I have chosen to do. Which is to use two sets of the Cannon steps and splice them together by reinforcing behind the front edge of the step with styrene strip and behind the kick plate with the same.
I hope this helps and good luck Erik
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Post by liquidfantasy on Jan 25, 2011 12:08:55 GMT -5
Erik, thanks for your thoughts. My last attempt will be to see, if the SD70-75 steps would fit (considering to trim them to size). If they don't, then my Last option will be the Plano material to scratch built them. Either way it's going to be some work. But worth going for it.
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Post by c415rock on Jan 30, 2011 21:14:26 GMT -5
Denis, The A-Line #29248 Etched diesel steps for the RPP 944 CW are almost a exact fit for the CF7 steps. I ran across a package that I had in a box and sized the up to a CF7. They will require a little trimming but will work.
Erik
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Post by liquidfantasy on Jan 31, 2011 5:08:08 GMT -5
Thanks, that's great news then! Trimming them down is no problem, only the other way round would be
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Post by liquidfantasy on Feb 16, 2011 7:01:34 GMT -5
Erik, I got the A-Line parts. Unfortunately only the front side steps can be used, the rear side steps are rectangular and too small to trim them in place. I would have needed the double sets ... lol ... I got the locomotive about 4 weeks ago, and I couldn't start working on it because I'm still chasing the detail parts ...
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Post by liquidfantasy on May 26, 2011 5:05:19 GMT -5
Guys, I have a serious problem with the cab ... The Cab from the York Rail CF7's have an angled roof Cab, but the windows are like the round roof cab version a hybrid! My attempt was ordering the round roof cabs as spares and change the side walls. My problem is: They are ordered with ATH since 5 months and nothing ... they aren't in stock with ATH... so I have to find a scratch build solution to make the windowns. As reference: Any idea how to start? How to get the round roof window arrangement onto the angled roof cab?
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Post by 1stcajon on May 26, 2011 10:56:45 GMT -5
There are 2 pix of Yorkrail #1500 in "CF7 locomotives:From Cleburne to Everywhere" (p 78 & 101). Doubt Athearn made the Angled cab w/ original F unit windows. Looks like you'll have to graft the an angled roof on to a round roof cab.
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Post by kcs1967 on May 26, 2011 11:15:05 GMT -5
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Post by kcs1967 on May 26, 2011 11:22:58 GMT -5
Do something like this Attachments:
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Post by liquidfantasy on May 27, 2011 6:26:16 GMT -5
Thanks for the help gents! As I can't get the round cab's and just add the angled cab, I will try to cannonize the sides as Justin suggested. I want to avoid repainting the entire cab, so I will only change the upper black painted window section and replace this. I'm sure it'll work out somehow :-)
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