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Post by sbcarshops on Oct 23, 2019 13:33:42 GMT -5
So my C415 came in, and I can get things going. [Slowly] I got it off of Ebay for a good price and want to update it. My plan is to mirror how things progressed in real life. I'm planning to model SP&S 100 which later became BN 4010 then Diesel Supply co then to Canterra Energy Co as 4010 and then to Ohio River Terminal as 4010.
As I haven't finalized the history of the CBRT yet my plan is to either acquire it direct from the SP&S or from BN. Ultimately I'm starting with an AHM ATSF 231. She's in decent condition needs new traction wheels upon first inspection but runs decent despite the missing tires. I'd like to super detail this and have a task to figure out as well. The ATSF version has a high cab and the SP&S was a medium cab. As I need to add all weather windows. Im Thinking I could just shorten and reshape the windows but will have to get in there.
Following a post on MRH by Eric Miller I will look into possibly finding a donor frame with dcc and sound (way for the future as i don't even have a dcc anything setup - part of the reason for the test track as i did inherit a NCE Procab I think it was) and I think I found d good HiAD trucks on Shapeways.
I thought about making a cab interior too if I open up the doors, but photos of c415 interiors are hard to find but I've found RS1's to go from so that is a subject to look into more!
Apologies for the ramble there's lots of potential here and im just starting to gather parts and making a plan now and will post photos when I can upload them!
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Post by big train james on Oct 23, 2019 21:59:44 GMT -5
I've grown kind of partial to Cascade Green and Black, so I vote for that. Seeing as one of my potential modeling inspirations is the old C&S branch to Golden, I probably should look at BN more seriously. Did you see the three cab interior shots of BN 4011 on the Railroad Picture Archives site? Also, there's a Diesel Era article on the c415. I don't have any idea about the specific content. Volume 1, Number 2. And Withers has a book on 4-axle Alcos that has some content on the c415. Do you know why the loco was designed with the center cab position, instead of simply being done as an end cab switcher? I'm sure I could look it up, but if you already know..... Jim |
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Post by sbcarshops on Oct 23, 2019 23:35:04 GMT -5
Good evening! A wealth of information here! Thank you!
For the paint let e clarify the CBRT is my Proto-freelance railroad and I was thinking of painting it up in that scheme when I nail that down, hence trying to come up with the history but if I keep it in original colors then cascade green might play a roll ;-P
I haven't seen 4011's cab, but you can bet that will be my next google search!
I will keep an eye out for those articles too!
Lastly I always thought (correct me if I'm wrong) that the cab was centered for visibility for both road and switching operations. Well for visibility and then centered so as to not need to turn the engine in branchline situations.
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Post by big train james on Oct 24, 2019 13:13:37 GMT -5
The windows on the front and rear cab faces have an EMD 2nd gen switcher cab vibe to them. And the roof line seems more EMD than Alco to me. I'm wondering if you could combine some Cannon standard cab parts with some Cannon switcher cab parts to possibly improve the cab. Cab sides would be a different challenge though.
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Post by sbcarshops on Oct 24, 2019 16:43:49 GMT -5
Good points and not a bad idea too. I hadnt considered that. I was just thinking of chopping it much like you'd do to a hot rod. It's only a scale foot difference, bot sure how much my OCD will let me get away with ;-P
And 4011's cab was good to see photos. Thank you!
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Post by mandealco on Oct 25, 2019 15:16:09 GMT -5
![]() ![]() ![]() Hi Before Briggs Models released their C-415 in N-Scale I played around with bits to see what I could use to build one. The cab profile of a standard cab C40-8 was going to be my starting point for the C-415 cab. This could be an option for you. The AT&SF version you have is a foobie. The Santa Fe never owned an Alco Century. Cheers Steve NZ  '> |
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Post by sbcarshops on Nov 3, 2019 21:56:42 GMT -5
Thanks for that post! It definitely gives a good inspiration for a starting point! Yes Haha I know the Santa Fe didn't have those, based on what I saw on rrpicturearives at least! Thanks for confirming! I am planning on making this for the Roster of my proto-freelanced Carbon River.
Also little update, I did get some BLMA grab ons and a C424 fuel tank halves from Atlas. I also found some Atlas/Kato C424/C425 sills. Those should be here soon too! Starting steps (and yes I do need photos too lol) I'm still trying to decide how I want to do DCC/Sound too but that's not an immediate need.
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Post by sbcarshops on Nov 19, 2019 17:43:48 GMT -5
I've been doing some thinking, and some planning too (watch out now, lol) I did some tests with the C424 frame I got and the pilots are phenomenal compared to what was originally on the C415 and some of the handrail holes line up and others not so much but that is something I'm still figuring out. What inwas wondering is if there are any good aftermarket railing sets that are metal for say a C424 etc. I know atlas makes some plastic ones and making my own is the other direction too. I just haven't seen very many metal Centrury series handrail sets so was curious if anyone else had
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Post by sbcarshops on Nov 24, 2019 4:57:38 GMT -5
Finally got some time to upload some images. Got some parts, and mocked some things up. Tore the shell apart to see how the insides looked to get a feel for where I initially stand. All the Pieces so far  A Peak under the hood  Old Shell on the New Frame to test the fit  1 of the two frames was warped  Finally seeing how the Stanchions line up - its really not far off currently, but I am going to check prototype photos for the final fit.  |
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Post by poweredby251 on Nov 29, 2019 14:38:26 GMT -5
For the C-415, you would be better off starting with an Atlas RS-11 walkway section rather than a C-424/425 piece. The C-415 is unique in that the height of the top of the walkway is at the same height off the rails as the older RS's rather than the slightly higher measurement of the rest of the Century's. As such, when built to the proper height off the rails, the endsills of the C-424/425 frame will drag on the rails. Ask me how I know.............. Mine was started many years ago when I found this out. I re-did the walkway with the RS-11 part, but stalled not long after. Best to use a different drive as well. Mine used a Smokey Valley GP-15 frame with Athearn trucks and GE sideframes. Hope this helps, John Gadow Finally got some time to upload some images. Got some parts, and mocked some things up. Tore the shell apart to see how the insides looked to get a feel for where I initially stand. All the Pieces so far A Peak under the hood Old Shell on the New Frame to test the fit 1 of the two frames was warped Finally seeing how the Stanchions line up - its really not far off currently, but I am going to check prototype photos for the final fit. |
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Post by sbcarshops on Nov 30, 2019 0:16:37 GMT -5
Thank you John! Something to definitely consider and look into. I was using this as a loose guide to begin with ( model-railroad-hobbyist.com/node/36663?destination=node%2F36663 ) so your tips are invaluable! I had planned on getting a new drive as well, I wanted to do sound/dcc and figured finding a drive with that already was the best way to proceed. |
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Post by stlrail on Jul 3, 2020 13:23:00 GMT -5
Has there been any forward momentum on this project lately?
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Post by sbcarshops on Jul 22, 2020 14:57:41 GMT -5
Good Afternoon All! Hope Everyone has been well! stlrail no there hasn't been much progress things have been crazy and haven't had much time to model. July 4th is our busy time at work and made even more so with the state of things. I did get a 3D Printer though so that has been a small distraction lol - its been a pain to dial in. Some things print really well, with some print with some defects, and some fail all together. I Digress, Biggest issue I have now is sourcing a good chassis and decoder/sounds. Those frames definitely need some work to fit as well, which is why I'm trying to find the chassis I'm going to use. Beyond that I do have some parts - like BLMA grab-ons to get installed etc. |
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Post by sbcarshops on Jul 22, 2020 15:18:43 GMT -5
Its been a journey trying to figure out what would be a good chassis - with out breaking the bank lol. From Eric's Post it seems like he used a Stewart/Kato F7 Drive and a cut down U25B frame. The Best I've found so far for those is $60 a piece. Which this being my first project like this means I dont have many guts/parts/scraps on hadn and it is a little... well just wanna get right things lol. If that makes any sense lol
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Post by mandealco on Jul 23, 2020 14:35:17 GMT -5
Hi
I can't speak from any HO scale experience, so this may not help. When looking for N-Scale models that shared the same truck centre spacing as the C-415, the only thing that was the same was the Life-Like/Walthers FA-1. I had one machined down to the bare minimum width which was the motor width and that worked. At least it worked according to my measurements. When my C-415 kit arrived, the hood sat a little high, so it's sitting on my bench awaiting further inspiration.
I don't know what any HO scale FA-1 chassis are like, but could be worth further investigation.
Cheers
Steve
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Post by stlrail on Jul 26, 2020 1:29:26 GMT -5
The best chassis I've found (that doesn't require major hacking) is the old Stewart Hobbies RS-3. The truck spacing is still off, but not as bad as the Atlas RS-3. I have a couple of C415's on my kitbash list as well...
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Post by sbcarshops on Jul 27, 2020 23:37:22 GMT -5
Good tips! I was using the MRH article as a loose guide and he did consider using a Proto 2000 FA frame.and ill have to look into the RS3 frame as well!
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Post by sbcarshops on Jul 27, 2020 23:42:20 GMT -5
Come to think of it, mandealco mentioned the BRIGGS kit earlier... and they used an RS3 or RS11 donor chassis for that kit. Granted that is in scale but still. Mirrors what stlrail said too!
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Post by nhjj4 on Apr 15, 2021 18:11:17 GMT -5
Hello, Just wondering about Hand rails on the C 415 We now have bodies for them but no hand rails Some people use Athearn or what ever ?? What size for the stanchions ?
Thank's
Jim
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Post by countryroads on Apr 16, 2021 3:03:26 GMT -5
Hello, Just wondering about Hand rails on the C 415 We now have bodies for them but no hand rails Some people use Athearn or what ever ?? What size for the stanchions ? Thank's Jim KV models makes several brass photo etched stantions Just have to look under everything there to find some items |
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