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Post by Milwaukee Road 513 on Jan 17, 2015 6:49:31 GMT -5
Well, as I've still to come up with a good name for my own freelance railroad, I thought that I'd show what I'm up to, besides collecting books about the Milwaukee Road, will be handy when I'll try to do a unit of theirs later... At moment I've collected a few decals, plus some bits and bobs... Being a railroad with their own shops, thinking Milwaukee Road size here, I thought that I'd get some different cabs for some wheels up upgrades, new engines, electric system etc., etc., to keep the shop workers busy and happy... Also have other things on my mind, B units, slugs and so on...
Would the P2K GP7/9 and SD7/9 be good for this, would these Atlas cabs fit alright with a bit of work?
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Post by Milwaukee Road 513 on Feb 15, 2015 18:53:51 GMT -5
Being somewhat inspired by the Santa Fe's SWBLW/Beep as possible 'Rookie' project for my Milwaukee & Western and its shop workers (me), I was wondering, which is better to use with the Stewart VO-1000, P2k's GP7/9 or the longer SD7/9? Was it an actual GP7 hood that they used for this, or was it more of a pick and mix? Can you fit Blomberg sides on the trucks, or will they have to be replaced completely? I was thinking of maybe keeping the dynamic brakes on, much like CN's Sweep's #7100-7107, but I'm not too sure about that, maybe put some 'torpedo tubes' on top of the hood instead and a winterization hatch...
So, any ideas, suggestions?
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milw199
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Post by milw199 on Feb 15, 2015 22:34:27 GMT -5
The EMD cab on the left shouldn't be too hard to put on a P2K EMD, after you chop the nose. The ALCo cab on the right probably won't fit so well, and look kinda goofy and implausible. MILW did have some rebuilt RSC2s, that used RS32 cabs and short hoods.
It looks like the Beep has most of a GP7 long hood, on a Baldwin switcher frame. The trucks were swapped out. Switcher trucks are generally 8 foot wheelbase, GP swing-hanger trucks are 9 foot wheelbase.
Torpedo tubes were a stopgap measure. Having the reservoirs up top must have been a pain for servicing. The space between the trucks was needed for fuel-water capacity, until EMD figured out there was a void between the top of the tank and the walkway than air reservoirs could fit into. Look at most GP20s, and N&W passenger GP9s.
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Post by iomalley on Feb 15, 2015 22:52:57 GMT -5
CN sweeps didn't have dynamic brakes, they were just a creative way of housing the air intake filters. Same as CNs GP9rms.
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Post by Milwaukee Road 513 on Feb 16, 2015 2:53:50 GMT -5
Cheers Mike and Sean, appreciated!
Not to worry, those cabs are for other....in the house projects, wasn't planning on using them on the Beep.... Sure was clever, because it had me fooled, I thought they had kept the dynamic brakes on them...!
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Post by Canadian Atlantic Railway on Feb 16, 2015 8:18:52 GMT -5
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Post by Milwaukee Road 513 on Feb 16, 2015 10:05:12 GMT -5
That was some interesting pcs mate, thanks for posting them. Never know where those SD24 and Century cabs will end up, as I've got 10 of each I think.
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Post by Rudy Garbely on Feb 16, 2015 22:57:34 GMT -5
Being somewhat inspired by the Santa Fe's SWBLW/Beep as possible 'Rookie' project for my Milwaukee & Western and its shop workers (me), I was wondering, which is better to use with the Stewart VO-1000, P2k's GP7/9 or the longer SD7/9? Was it an actual GP7 hood that they used for this, or was it more of a pick and mix? Can you fit Blomberg sides on the trucks, or will they have to be replaced completely? I was thinking of maybe keeping the dynamic brakes on, much like CN's Sweep's #7100-7107, but I'm not too sure about that, maybe put some 'torpedo tubes' on top of the hood instead and a winterization hatch...
So, any ideas, suggestions?
I built a model of the "Beep" almost a decade ago now (and I'm only 24, so boy how time flies). I used a Stewart VO1000 with Kato GP35 trucks, which fit the existing Stewart bolsters AND the drive mechanism with only some milling on the frame around the fuel tank area. For the hood, I used an Atlas GP7 because I had one on hand. However, the real one was home-built by the ATSF at Cleburne and was virtually identical to a CF7 hood (which were also home-built at Cleburne to EMD plans). If I were to do it again, I would use an Athearn CF7 hood. Obviously you're freelancing, so you can do whatever you want! The Rock Island re-engined some EMC NW1's with Alco 244 engines in the 1950's, so there's a prototype for everything!
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Post by Milwaukee Road 513 on Feb 17, 2015 5:20:24 GMT -5
Cheers Rudy, appreciated! I've been thinking of using a GP7 or GP9 hood myself, other than that, who knows.. Was even for a while contemplating the long hood of a RS-11! I can only imagine, the myriad of rebuilds that was made in the past, some looking good and some, not so much... Think that I'll have to look those Rock Island engines up!
Thanks again!
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Post by Canadian Atlantic Railway on Feb 17, 2015 7:43:28 GMT -5
To make it interesting and since it is a freelanced unit I would keep the VO1000 cab and use the RS11 long hood. I think that would make for an interesting unit on the layout with an ALCO sound decoder.
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Post by Milwaukee Road 513 on Feb 17, 2015 11:16:41 GMT -5
The more that I think about it, I'd like to try both, an Alco and an EMD rebuild! What kinda trucks did they use on the VO-1000? Alco? I imagine that you can buy shells as spares, right? I'll definitely keep the VO-1000 cab on!
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Post by Milwaukee Road 513 on Feb 18, 2015 9:43:09 GMT -5
Was snooping around for useable profiles and came across these...
Now I only need to figure out how to use bl**dy Gimp, to match the RS-11 and the GP9 hoods to the VO-1000, to see what she might look like, at least we know, so of, what she looks like with the Geep attatched, eager to see the RS-11/VO-1000 version though...
Here's where I found them at: www.trainweb.org/willstrainart/Art_Index.htm
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Post by T on Feb 18, 2015 15:50:51 GMT -5
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Post by Milwaukee Road 513 on Feb 19, 2015 5:22:45 GMT -5
You'll have to excuse my rather, well.....poor work here! Still need to practice Gimp, Paint and all those things... Anyway, definitely gonna try my hands on a couple of these! Looks interesting with the RS-11...
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Post by Milwaukee Road 513 on Feb 19, 2015 9:17:05 GMT -5
Same source as above:http://www.trainweb.org/willstrainart/Art_Index.htm
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Post by T on Feb 19, 2015 13:05:43 GMT -5
Ok , where's the top of the LONG HOOD? or is it that one doesn't care about being accurate.. Tom
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Post by Eccentric_Crank on Feb 19, 2015 14:56:43 GMT -5
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Post by Milwaukee Road 513 on Feb 19, 2015 16:24:26 GMT -5
Didn't see one Tom, I think that there's only profiles, on the Baldwins... Hmmmm.....that's an idea as well Dan!
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Post by iomalley on Feb 19, 2015 16:41:47 GMT -5
And also, one should consider that in doing this work, you should be upgrading the trucks to either blombergs or AAR-B road trucks. You're in essence upgrading the HP from around 1000 to 1800 and those westinghouse traction motors won't cut the mustard. RRs would make this conversion for the purpose of doing away with all the Baldwin-specific parts in the inventory, including the westinghouse electrical gear.
RRs that repowered their switchers, usually only swapped the old hood for a newer EMD/ALCO sw hood, or just changed the stacks and rads/fans if the new PM fit under the old hood.
Those Beeps were probably 500-600 hp more than the old config so some surplus FT trucks or something similar, made the grade.
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Post by Milwaukee Road 513 on Feb 19, 2015 20:26:03 GMT -5
That's the plan Dan, Blomberg trucks on the Beep and and AAR's on the Alco version.... As I've mentioned before, I'm more used to 1/72, 1/48, and 1/32 scale aircraft, this is more work, but I'm looking forward to it. I imagine that I'll have to upgrade my tools a wee bit from what I have now...
.....and as always, ideas, suggestions etc., etc., are very much welcome!
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