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Post by fordy744 on Jul 15, 2014 13:31:22 GMT -5
Thought I'd post my latest completed weathering job, got 6 more on the bench.
Let me know what you guys think!
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Post by icghogger on Jul 15, 2014 16:44:55 GMT -5
Very nicely done! 
It will be awesome to see the other six with it, hauling black diamonds to the Tidewater docks (or coming back empty for more, either way...)!! |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2014 10:29:14 GMT -5
Fordy,
Please do not take this as anything other than a fellow modeler trying to help another modeler achieve their own brand of greatness. I think I have achieved a level where I am able to give some advice or pointers.
So a lot of what you want depends on what your goals are. Do you want to finish a lot of models quickly or do you want each model to stand alone on a highly detailed layout. You need to figure out what you want from the hobby and what you enjoy. I have a deep passion for modeling. My wife calls it an obsession because she does not understand it. I call it a passion. All my free time is spent building models and trying to improve my skills. That is me though. I have no other distractions. For you, you may have other distractions that take time away from the hobby and the hobby may not be at the top of your important list. For me it is right after family. So now you know where I am coming from and why I give you this critique. ONLY to help you along.
My first bit of advice is to STOP using an airbrush to weather your models. It looks like an airbrush. You can take an out of the box model like you have there and turn it into a jewel WITHOUT adding any detailing. Simply weathering it. If you really want to learn how to weather, start following the military modeling groups and study their weathering techniques. Go on youtube and watch some of the videos. There are some really lame ones on there, but there are some great ones as well. A couple I follow are ScaleModelMedic, IMMRROcom, OrcPainterNerd and awesomepaintjob. These guys do some good videos. Most are from your part of the world. As you can see also, some of them are fantasy modelers, but be it tanks, ships, space or fantasy. Weathering is weathering. A lot of the model train weathering videos are just blasting on paint with an air brush. Avoid those. Treat every square millimeter of your model as a canvas and not just the overall picture. Use washes combined with pigments. It really makes your model come to life. Miguel Jimenez has some great videos out. AK Interactive has some great ones as well. AS I did, you will eventually develop your own brand of model building and weathering.
But, if you are going for a large fleet and the overall picture then that is a different task and the air brush is probably the way to go to quickly get things done.
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Post by tankertoad70 on Aug 4, 2014 14:27:29 GMT -5
Very nice weathering job indeed. How do you weather that interior of the hopper. I have some that need the same treatment!! 
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Post by fordy744 on Aug 7, 2014 10:59:16 GMT -5
Very nicely done!
It will be awesome to see the other six with it, hauling black diamonds to the Tidewater docks (or coming back empty for more, either way...)!! Hi Robert, thanks for the kind words, the other 6 a completed, just need to sort the photos out and post up. 2 off N&W and 4 B&O.
Just putting the finishing touches to another 6 B&O rescues.
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Post by fordy744 on Aug 7, 2014 11:29:51 GMT -5
Fordy, Please do not take this as anything other than a fellow modeler trying to help another modeler achieve their own brand of greatness. I think I have achieved a level where I am able to give some advice or pointers. So a lot of what you want depends on what your goals are. Do you want to finish a lot of models quickly or do you want each model to stand alone on a highly detailed layout. You need to figure out what you want from the hobby and what you enjoy. I have a deep passion for modeling. My wife calls it an obsession because she does not understand it. I call it a passion. All my free time is spent building models and trying to improve my skills. That is me though. I have no other distractions. For you, you may have other distractions that take time away from the hobby and the hobby may not be at the top of your important list. For me it is right after family. So now you know where I am coming from and why I give you this critique. ONLY to help you along. My first bit of advice is to STOP using an airbrush to weather your models. It looks like an airbrush. You can take an out of the box model like you have there and turn it into a jewel WITHOUT adding any detailing. Simply weathering it. If you really want to learn how to weather, start following the military modeling groups and study their weathering techniques. Go on youtube and watch some of the videos. There are some really lame ones on there, but there are some great ones as well. A couple I follow are ScaleModelMedic, IMMRROcom, OrcPainterNerd and awesomepaintjob. These guys do some good videos. Most are from your part of the world. As you can see also, some of them are fantasy modelers, but be it tanks, ships, space or fantasy. Weathering is weathering. A lot of the model train weathering videos are just blasting on paint with an air brush. Avoid those. Treat every square millimeter of your model as a canvas and not just the overall picture. Use washes combined with pigments. It really makes your model come to life. Miguel Jimenez has some great videos out. AK Interactive has some great ones as well. AS I did, you will eventually develop your own brand of model building and weathering. But, if you are going for a large fleet and the overall picture then that is a different task and the air brush is probably the way to go to quickly get things done. Hi Brian,
I take all constructive criticism positively, I will certainly be checking out the videos you recommend!
A little from my point of view; I hate seeing shiny out of the box models running behind shiny out the box locos on clean and shiny layouts! and second to that I hate factory "weathered" items.
I, like a lot of us have quite a collection of "good" models that form the basis of our rosters. I try and model representatively, so it feels realistic. The bulk of my trains are built up of good models with a few high end cars at the front and a few at the back with a nice caboose. I find that people take a lot of notice of the engine and the first half dozen cars and then loose interest in the next 30 or so before becoming interested again towards the last half dozen and caboose. For this reason my good cars are weathered more generally and an airbrush helps with speed no doubt.
I do use powders to simulate the coal dust inside and on the outers but in the photos it's not that obvious.
I am conscicous about items lacking "depth" to their weathering and paint is a thin medium. However in 1:87 scale road grime and muck would also be thin, would it not? The cars I'm weathering currently wouldn't be that old by my prototype of 1959 and would be fairly "clean" short of general road grime and coal dust in the instance of hoppers. Having seen prototype pictures of 20-30+ year old stock still rolling on the rails today, the muck and rust is almost scabbing through the photo and no way could this be modelled with an airbrush alone. I recently saw in book about mixing rust powders with glosscote and applying that the replicate rust scab on car sides, but again this was for stock that had been in service longer without a rebuild either.
I will in time be completing some "signature" pieces that have far more details to them and more than a lick with an airbrush.
Fordy
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Post by fordy744 on Aug 7, 2014 11:35:54 GMT -5
Very nice weathering job indeed. How do you weather that interior of the hopper. I have some that need the same treatment!!
Thanks for the kind words Don!
I start by painting the insides with a light coat of dark rust, but building it up greater down the seams, bracing edges and door area as these tend to be the areas that see the most concentration of coal and also water will tend to track those routes too. Then I simply dust the sides and bottom with black weathering powder to simulate coal dust. After all that a shot of dullcote to seal it.
Depending on your load you would substitute the black coal dust what ever suits your load.
Best of luck!
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