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Post by cudak888 on Aug 1, 2013 23:29:29 GMT -5
After realizing how many Athearn Bombardier bi-level chassis I'm going to wind up with after chopping all my coaches into UTDC-spec, my mind started toying with the dangerously (to the pocketbook) creative idea of modeling a few of these with the help of a Train Station Products car core kit:  ...and someone with a laser cutter. Enter Adobe Illustrator: Note, file is a heavily compressed .JPG - the original .ai vector file is a sight to behold:  Now, I'm not quite sure I've got it right, but I did some Googling and located a few firms advertising small-run laser cutting. We'll see... -Kurt |
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Post by cudak888 on Aug 8, 2013 15:23:18 GMT -5
Just received word (and a photo) from Roy at VikingPanels.com - the very first HO-scale Hyundai-Rotem bi-levels (of this prototype) are now in existence:  What's more, these were milled - not laser cut - in styrene. Roy used a special cutting fluid to make sure that the edges would not melt during cutting. I'd like to add that Roy has been absolutely fantastic to work with during the course of this project, and I'd highly recommend him to anyone who's looking for flat styrene cut to specifications. Ideal, in fact, for those looking for a quicker way to assemble a long hood from Cannon parts. -Kurt |
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Post by stevef45 on Aug 11, 2013 20:47:33 GMT -5
I have engine diagrams with some dimensions, but none for the doors or spacing. Just overall length and stuff. Would this be enough for him to do a thing of laser cut or milled sides? I sent info to another person but i dont think it will ever actually happen with that person.
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Post by cudak888 on Aug 11, 2013 20:53:38 GMT -5
I have engine diagrams with some dimensions, but none for the doors or spacing. Just overall length and stuff. Would this be enough for him to do a thing of laser cut or milled sides? I sent info to another person but i dont think it will ever actually happen with that person. The best way to ensure you'll be happy with the result is to draw a vector file (I used Adobe Illustrator; some prefer Corel Draw) to your liking. If nothing else, it'll give you an orthographic view from which you can draw and eyeball the additional details, or even scale and layer a prototype photo beneath as a positioning guide. Once you're happy with the vector file, he can program the machine to trace the outline. Any particular piece of equipment you have in mind? -Kurt |
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Post by stevef45 on Aug 12, 2013 9:49:06 GMT -5
I have engine diagrams with some dimensions, but none for the doors or spacing. Just overall length and stuff. Would this be enough for him to do a thing of laser cut or milled sides? I sent info to another person but i dont think it will ever actually happen with that person. The best way to ensure you'll be happy with the result is to draw a vector file (I used Adobe Illustrator; some prefer Corel Draw) to your liking. If nothing else, it'll give you an orthographic view from which you can draw and eyeball the additional details, or even scale and layer a prototype photo beneath as a positioning guide. Once you're happy with the vector file, he can program the machine to trace the outline. Any particular piece of equipment you have in mind? -Kurt errrruhhhhh, sounds complicated lol |
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Post by cudak888 on Aug 12, 2013 9:59:26 GMT -5
The best way to ensure you'll be happy with the result is to draw a vector file (I used Adobe Illustrator; some prefer Corel Draw) to your liking. If nothing else, it'll give you an orthographic view from which you can draw and eyeball the additional details, or even scale and layer a prototype photo beneath as a positioning guide. Once you're happy with the vector file, he can program the machine to trace the outline. Any particular piece of equipment you have in mind? -Kurt errrruhhhhh, sounds complicated lol No more difficult than the outline I posted earlier: Tell me the prototype again. I might be able to sketch it up for you if it's not too time intensive. -Kurt |
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Post by stevef45 on Aug 12, 2013 11:35:17 GMT -5
not time sensitive at all. Photobucket is all messed up, i've uploaded these pics before and others and now im missing things. These are the images/diagrams I got.    |
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Post by cudak888 on Aug 12, 2013 11:48:26 GMT -5
Sides for Cannon & Co parts, I assume?
-Kurt
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Post by stevef45 on Aug 12, 2013 12:10:11 GMT -5
yes. im using hte cannon 22" doors for the radiator sections
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Post by cudak888 on Aug 12, 2013 17:51:31 GMT -5
yes. im using hte cannon 22" doors for the radiator sections I'll work with those measurements then. Can you get me a caliper measurement of the exact (to the nearest thousandth) metric height and width of the two sizes of molded Cannon doors? Also let me know how you intend to form the dynamic hatch and flared grilles - if you intend to kitbash with an Athearn dynamic blister, I'll have to step the sides down in accordance with the Athearn blister. The Hyundai-Rotem car sides arrived today. The crispness of the milling is beyond my wildest expectations:     -Kurt |
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Post by stevef45 on Aug 13, 2013 8:41:13 GMT -5
Kurt, when i get home tonight i'll get those measurements. As for the DB hatch, im probably going to kitbash that area with multiple pieces from what i have. THe radiator section will also be kitbashed with sections, but the entire roof/db/radiato and long hood end are all from a athearn sd45 shell.
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Post by stevef45 on Aug 13, 2013 8:47:29 GMT -5
kurt, i also remembered that i was able to get measurements of the rear doors on the long hood, while not nearly exact maybe they'll help. There was 1 or 2 doors that were 20 inches or so. I was just going to sand down a 22" door to fit.
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Post by cudak888 on Aug 13, 2013 18:54:56 GMT -5
Kurt, when i get home tonight i'll get those measurements. As for the DB hatch, im probably going to kitbash that area with multiple pieces from what i have. THe radiator section will also be kitbashed with sections, but the entire roof/db/radiato and long hood end are all from a athearn sd45 shell. Aug 13, 2013 9:47:29 GMT -4 stevef45 said: kurt, i also remembered that i was able to get measurements of the rear doors on the long hood, while not nearly exact maybe they'll help. There was 1 or 2 doors that were 20 inches or so. I was just going to sand down a 22" door to fit. Give me a rough estimate of how deep the dynamic blister and Athearn grilles are, and I'll work the "steps" into the sides. I'll still need some sort of estimate as to the actual scale width and height of the cast Cannon doors, or I might easily be off by half a millimeter or more. Just added some details to the Rotem cab car. Also ordered the TSP Pullman Standard/ACF roofs from Walthers:  Any suggestions for which grille etch kit might work for the AC vents? -Kurt |
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Post by stevef45 on Aug 14, 2013 15:04:32 GMT -5
Kurt, i'll have those measurements for you by tonight. I was playing with my infant son last nigiht then he got sick. So never got to a computer. I'll even do the best i can with the db and radiator sections.
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Post by stevef45 on Aug 14, 2013 18:48:26 GMT -5
22" door height = 18.98mm, width = 6.46mm
The depth of the db/radiators if i understand what your asking for is 2.20mm. Thats from the wall of the engine room to where the flare sticks out.
If you meant the void where the radiator and db grills will go to the top of the doors then the radiator section is 8.36mm, db grill to top of door engine room doors is 5.22mm
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Post by cudak888 on Aug 17, 2013 20:22:50 GMT -5
Train Station Products roofs arrived today:   22" door height = 18.98mm, width = 6.46mm The depth of the db/radiators if i understand what your asking for is 2.20mm. Thats from the wall of the engine room to where the flare sticks out. If you meant the void where the radiator and db grills will go to the top of the doors then the radiator section is 8.36mm, db grill to top of door engine room doors is 5.22mm Ok, that works for the specifics. Just need the overall height and length of the panel now - I'd reduce it 1:87 off the prototype, but I don't know if that'll measure up correctly to the model you're building it around. -Kurt |
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Post by stevef45 on Aug 17, 2013 22:05:25 GMT -5
overall height and length of the panel as in long hood side? i'll see if i can get that tomorrow.
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Post by cudak888 on Aug 17, 2013 22:16:53 GMT -5
Correct, with the height measurement adjusted for whichever shell you're using.
-Kurt
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