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Post by cd on Apr 25, 2013 6:00:55 GMT -5
I know there's another thread on here asking if your free-lanced road is based in part on a prototype.
I'm curious as to how many people have just "continued" a prototype. For instance, my prototype the Georgia & Florida was taken over by Southern in 1963 and operated as part of the Central of Georgia until the early 1970's. I've thought about modeling my prototype as if it were never merged and survived on it's own. This would give me a little more versatility in modeling different pieces of equipment apart from the bare bones GP-7's and SW-1's that the road actually used.
Initially I'm planning to model the transition period which would see steam operating alongside the Geeps and SW's. If my prototype had been "saved" by some new industries opening, I can imagine them needing more power in the form of the used units that they typically bought. Or if things went really well, maybe even upgrading to some SD-24's or something similar. Although, this pales in comparison to larger roads, this would probably be about the limit of what the G&F could've stood. There would've had to been major track and route upgrades for bigger and heavier trains. I don't want to go "too big" as it would require modeling the line in much better condition than it ever was.
So in effect, I'm trying to "keep it small".
How many of you have done something like this? And what are some of your thoughts and ideas?
Also, the initial founder of the road had big plans including a deep water seaport on the Gulf of Mexico that never materialized. I've considered several different ways to model something like this and make it tie into the roads operations.
Did any of your roads have such plans that never materialized that you have or would like to model?
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Post by cd on Apr 25, 2013 7:35:15 GMT -5
Continuing this post... My particular prototype is gone but there are surviving segments of the mainline that still run down city streets. This is part of the old G&F main that ran through Augusta GA Here's a photo of a train in 1960 running in the same area. www.rr-fallenflags.org/geofla/gf701dsa.jpgThis is just one example of towns growing but the railroad not keeping up. So there would've had to have been major changes to the routes around areas like this for the bigger trains that would've kept the road alive. That being said, I'm not trying to make my road compete with any of the modern day giants, just trying to picture it as being a surviving regional road or similar. It would be great if the G&F had gotten big enough to purchase some larger 4 axle power like say a GP-30 or even some bigger switchers let alone some small 6 axle power. So what are some of your ideas for making a road like this bigger without being too big? |
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Post by m a y o r 79 on May 2, 2013 20:22:08 GMT -5
Ive thought about doing that with the Milwaukee Road but i just couldnt get myself to paint the orange and black on a wide cab.
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Post by MitchGDRMCo on May 2, 2013 20:56:28 GMT -5
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Post by enginseer on May 2, 2013 22:30:22 GMT -5
For my money, this is what Prototype freelancing is all about. It's about your fantasy.
Being too big is irelevant. As it is, most (if not all of us) model "pieces" of a railroad in the first place. A particular line for instance.
Some roads that are modeled are small enough to be done it their entirety, but again, it's your fantasy make it as big as you want. Show as much as you want.
What's interesting to the rest of us is the pedigree of your road, the power it runs, what it does and where it lies. Not to mention the other standard model railroading aspects.
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Post by shoofly on May 3, 2013 2:05:05 GMT -5
What's fascinating to me as a proto modeler are real scenarios where a fallen flag or a merged railroad resurrects itself and lives on. Wheeling and Lake Erie, Ann Arbor, and Northwestern Pacific are great examples of this. I find the NS and UP heritage locomotive pretty novel and cool. I can really identify with modelers that go with an alternate scenario that justifies their favorite fallen flag.  |
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2013 12:55:46 GMT -5
Those GDRMCO units look really good, orange is a grest colour for wide cabs, just look as far as Quebec, South Shore & Labrador...
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Post by MitchGDRMCo on May 7, 2013 16:56:05 GMT -5
They're not mine! A painter friend of mine did these as modern Milwaukee Road locomotives for a customer of his that was modelling a modern version of that RR that also included a P42 in the passenger livery which was used to haul MILW Superliners.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2013 11:00:39 GMT -5
Ah yes so I see, upon closer inspection. Lol.
Great all the same.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2013 10:38:10 GMT -5
I always liked this idea too. My favorite one would be instead of Conrail being created, Penn Central comes out of bankruptcy, consolidates and modernizes the railroad. Massive trade ins and new SD40-2's become locomotive standard for road power.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2013 13:29:30 GMT -5
I always liked this idea too. My favorite one would be instead of Conrail being created, Penn Central comes out of bankruptcy, consolidates and modernizes the railroad. Massive trade ins and new SD40-2's become locomotive standard for road power. This idea occurred to me only last week when I saw a photo of an NS SD40-2 (#6193 I think it was) with replacement long hood doors with a faded PC logo on them. Sent from my GT-I9100 using proboards |
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Post by spike on Jun 4, 2013 23:15:55 GMT -5
I have decided to do my own freelance. I had been considering B&M as if it didn't go into Guilford. The power would be more large 4 axle EMD units. That would have continued their past trends.I would have done the roster up to the merger and added late GP40-2s with angled blower ducts, as well as GP60s.
The color scheme would need consideration. The last one was very 1970s looking. I could have adapted the original bluebird. A retro Minuteman maroon might have been nice too.
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Post by MitchGDRMCo on Jun 5, 2013 2:26:42 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2013 5:22:47 GMT -5
Always loved the B&M logo but I think you'd need more colour on a GP60M, maybe a complete white nose and some black in there too. Come to think of it those are shades not colours 0_o
More contrast maybe! Lol.
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Post by stevef45 on Jun 8, 2013 7:53:48 GMT -5
I started doing the Central Railroad of New Jersey.   Currently painted are a SD70M-2 and ES44DC. SD70M with flared radiator and an undecorated SD70M-2 to be painted. |
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Post by antlorch on Jun 8, 2013 10:11:04 GMT -5
ALl of these are good ideas. As a matter of fact there is a railroad right now bringing back the old B&M Minuteman blue scheme for its railroad. I believe they are going painted my Midamerica Car at this time. There is also a shortline painting its engines into the old Pennsylvania brown and gold scheme. So anything is poosible, My KP was a real railroad that was taken over by the UP back in 1889 and I am making it like the merger never happened..
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2013 16:43:58 GMT -5
Love the coastguard scheme!
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Post by stevef45 on Jun 9, 2013 17:07:00 GMT -5
ALl of these are good ideas. As a matter of fact there is a railroad right now bringing back the old B&M Minuteman blue scheme for its railroad. I believe they are going painted my Midamerica Car at this time. There is also a shortline painting its engines into the old Pennsylvania brown and gold scheme. So anything is poosible, My KP was a real railroad that was taken over by the UP back in 1889 and I am making it like the merger never happened.. Is it Pan Am? |
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Post by dave on Jul 6, 2013 11:03:52 GMT -5
I always liked this idea too. My favorite one would be instead of Conrail being created, Penn Central comes out of bankruptcy, consolidates and modernizes the railroad. Massive trade ins and new SD40-2's become locomotive standard for road power. I had an idea similar to that. So I figured out an idea for a Modern NYC type Timeline. I probably won't model this 1968 Talks between the PRR and the NYC break down, no deal is struck 1970 PRR Declares for Bankruptcy 1972 Hurricane weather destroys portions of the E-L and PRR, PRR goes to congress for help 1973 Congress forms Conrail out of PRR,CNJ,LV,LHR,RDG And E-L giving NYC less Competition. 1983 NYC buys the B&M and makes it an independent subsidiary. 1994 NYC buys the Bangor and Aroostook merging it into the B&M and renaming the railroad the Boston and Aroostook (BAA) (Using trackage rights to connect the two lines) 1999 NYC splits the Conrail assets with CSX and NS 30/35/35 And that's my idea of a Modern NYC! |
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Post by chessie77 on Jul 6, 2013 22:11:46 GMT -5
:)Hello, I had similar thought about if the PC merger hadn't gone bankrupt. The C&O and the N&W were planning a merger, they even started renumbering some locomotives. The new railroad would have included the following lines: C&O, B&O, WM, N&W, EL, D&H, B&M. RDG, CNJ. The new railroad would have been the N&W (sigh, I'm a Chessie fan) but the resulting locomotive fleet would have been awesome to see, especially in the first years. I don't know if the paint scheme would have been black though. New locomotive purchases would be interesting to figure out, considering the diverse philosophies of the railroads involved. The C&O and N&W historical societies should have information in their archives about what was happening when this was called of in 1970-71. Just a thought.
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