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Post by nsc409w on Dec 31, 2012 14:53:37 GMT -5
I hear you guys on the NMRA judges. When the NMRA convention was held in Toronto my father had a run in with the judges that hurt him so bad he took his models from the display table and left. He had built from scratch a 90 ton Bucyrus Erie steam shovel. From one picture that he had. It had taken him over a year of research and building molds and scratch building to build. He happened to be standing behind the judges when they were looking at the model and they were trash talking the model saying how it was not scratchbuilt and that it had to have been a kit. He asked the men if he could explain how the model was built to prove that it was scratchbuilt and he was told he was not. It left my father almost in tears. It is really too bad that such extroidinary modelers such as Elizabeth and in my eyes my father are frowned upon by a group that is supposed to promote and support the efforts of modelers.
Shane
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Post by dtinut on Dec 31, 2012 15:25:31 GMT -5
Well, leave it upto the NMRA to turn people in the wrong direction....
These people are supposed to be encouraging stuff like this - Liz is a fine modeler, and someone the NMRA should be proud of.
What the people bitching about are some ancient text that hardly anyone reads unless they are attempting to achieve the MMR award, otherwise, nobody reads that stuff, and the only reason why you have to read it, is to understand what to build so you can obtain enough points in each section they require you to complete to receive the award.
Really, the NMRA needs to address this issue, and re-write the criteria for these certificates/judging.
Liz is not looking for any award, or certificate. Certainly not from the NMRA either.
I bet she has had more people view her model, than any of the NMRA contest models ever. She regularly attends RPM events to share/display her models and her talents. More modelers attend these events than the NMRA convention.
I entered a NMRA contest, and won't bother again, because they really don't help me to be a better modeler.
Regards, Brian
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Post by liengineerbob on Dec 31, 2012 18:01:32 GMT -5
What's an MMR??
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2012 18:13:21 GMT -5
Master Model Railroader. Somebody who has met the NMRA's criteria across several disciplines of the hobby... Sent from my GT-I9100 using proboards
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2012 18:15:24 GMT -5
I've actually read the article and the comments now. Some people have a warped sense of reality...
The likes of Liz Allen are more than welcome in these circles as she is truly inspirational.
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Post by nsc409w on Dec 31, 2012 20:33:16 GMT -5
I concur on that.
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Post by liengineerbob on Jan 1, 2013 18:21:33 GMT -5
Sounds like a similar situation as the military modelers have with the IPMS (International Plastic Modelers Society) contests/conventions. Attending those shows with my father you see a very similar (if not nearly identical) way of operation and judging.
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Post by jakeloyst on Jan 1, 2013 22:18:04 GMT -5
I havent read the MRH website article, but judging from the comments I dont think I have to < i get the jist of it. I stumbled upon the SW1500 a while back and was amazed at the work done to the good ole "blue box" Athearn . I use a great deal of Athearn parts, most of them from the blue box days, as a starting point for a lot of my switchers. As for the nit pickers, I have had nmy dealings with them years back, and for that reason, other than this site, I belong to no other organizations. Just because someone skills are nt up to the master level, is not reason to criticise their efforts. We all operate at our own skill level, and the more we do, the better we become. Advise and tips, I think would be much more helpful to all of us, rather than the " you missed a rivet", or "oh, you cant build an HO scale underbody fuel filter from scratch?" I have been in the hobby for almost 35years, and the abundance of commercial parts available to us now, is a blessing , not a hinderance. My hat goes off to everyone, from, someone that runs straight from the box, someone who changes a horn on a decorated unit, or someone that builds the entire unit, from leftovers in thier scrap box. The whole point in the starting of this item was the work of Elizabeth Allen, I have seen it, and admire each little detail she adds, scratchbuilt or commercial! In hopes that she does read this, Keep up the great work!!!
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Post by spike on Jan 2, 2013 14:39:28 GMT -5
Why do all of the MMRs have to use it after their names? It's not a phd.
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Post by annarborfan on Jan 2, 2013 14:55:08 GMT -5
Because Blowhard is too descriptive.
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Post by mrogden on Jan 2, 2013 15:28:21 GMT -5
I've been to her house and seen her talent, just incredable! MrOGDEN
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Post by mgwsy on Jan 2, 2013 19:45:42 GMT -5
Why do all of the MMRs have to use it after their names? It's not a phd. Because they think it makes them better then others.
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Post by ladderpipe on Jan 2, 2013 20:55:20 GMT -5
I view the NMRA as those of us in the fire service view the NFPA. It stands for "National Fire Protection Association. In a lot of our eyes, it means "Not For Practical Application". Why? Because, for the most part, it's guys that sit in an office, haven't rode a rig in years, are completely disconnected from the real world and set un-obtainable guidelines for all but the largest departments. The reality is that I do not by into the NMRA. Sure, track gauge and coupler height are important but I can guarantee that very few of my father or my cars meet the weight requirements. It honestly pains me to see how much mightier they think they are over others. I can only wish my stuff looked like hers. As a matter of fact, she makes my work look like an old Tyco or Mantua loco. After reading that article, I'm still wondering how one would/could scratch builds hood doors for instance. God bless her ability!
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Post by riss2509 on Jan 2, 2013 23:28:20 GMT -5
I definetly 2nd what ladderpipe says. Also being a FF in the burbs of Chi-town. There is a place for us, here and also many other places to show off our talents. There is also positive criticism and some plain ole stupidness. I applaud anyone who can take something, make it there own whether scratchbuild or cleaning up the pig so to speak.
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Post by shuttleman on Jan 3, 2013 8:13:37 GMT -5
Liz Allen is one of the finest people and most talented modelers on our planet. I have been modeling and in this hobby for over 45 years and stand in awe of her remarkable talents. I have followed most of her locomotive builds on several PBase sights and the end products are all outstanding. I have emailed Liz on several occasions regarding ideas and help for my model builds. She was more than happy to help with my questions. I have never been an NMRA member. The comments of the Good Ole Boy Fraternity of nitpickers and rivet counters are a joke. Most of them are overly jealous that they do not possess the talents that Ms Allen has. Bottom line-Liz is a wonderful modeler and we should all appreciate her modeling skills.
Tom Kidd
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Post by antlorch on Jan 3, 2013 8:20:46 GMT -5
Liz is a MASTER MODELER in my book. With the talent she has for building a locomotive there is no doubt in my book. Talent runs in many forms in this hobby, so I dont believe setting some requirements for a person to meet to become a "MMR" is right. There are many people who can build a model of a locomotive (or anything) who I would call masters in this hobby. Those are just some good ol' boys who think they are the #@%!. Well we know better and I bet Liz does too.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2013 11:02:10 GMT -5
Liz is a MASTER MODELER in my book. With the talent she has for building a locomotive there is no doubt in my book. Talent runs in many forms in this hobby, so I dont believe setting some requirements for a person to meet to become a "MMR" is right. There are many people who can build a model of a locomotive (or anything) who I would call masters in this hobby. Those are just some good ol' boys who think they are the #@%!. Well we know better and I bet Liz does too. Well said!
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Post by gregw66 on Jan 3, 2013 16:05:37 GMT -5
The problem with the NMRA is that it is stuck in the 50s. Their contest rules are geared to steam locomotives and wooden cars. I love the history of this hobby very much and love to see and read about John Allen's Gorre & Daphetid. But it is 2013 and those days are gone. We don't build models from sheet brass, cardstock and bits of wire anymore.
I bought into the NMRA about 15 years ago but quickly learned that I wasn't one of them. I'm also not an RPMer either. Both groups are comprised, I'm sure, of fine people who want nothing more than to have fun and promote their philosophy of the hobby. But just as in any other group of people, you won't find one organization that will be all things to all people. As the firefighters above have attested too.
Same goes in my profession. If you want to watch people get heated about something, start a Theological debate with a group of clergy.
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Post by mgwsy on Jan 3, 2013 17:02:28 GMT -5
Only problem I have against Liz is that she doesnt model Conrail! LOL ; )
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Post by catt on Jan 3, 2013 17:07:34 GMT -5
I've been thinking about this thing about Elizabeth and I have to wonder that with some of these guys it's the fact that she is a FEMALE and a better modeler than these guys will ever be.
Personally I applaud the fact that the ladies are quite often better modelers than us guys. ;D
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