osrr
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Post by osrr on Oct 22, 2015 22:58:59 GMT -5
I've switched from a modern DT&I to a freelance Ohio Southern but, although its freelance I still want my roster to be somewhat realistic. Here's my current drafted roster. ( I follow a DT&I inspired numbering scheme.) (Always subject to change). [/span] 1990-1991 (Reference to me an the fiances birth years, something of a tribute?) 4 GP15T 350-353 (New in '83, built to Chessie Specs) 5 GP39-2 400-404 (New in 84, built in GP49 car bodies) 19 SD40-2 500-518 (Mixed Heritage) 8 GP38-2 200-207 Ex-DT&I 3 SD40M-2 550-552 (I spaced these out because of the SD45 car bodies)[/ul] Seeing the modern I&O roster, I don't feel to far fetched having the 4 axle power but, I feel as if I should have more sixe axle power. Even more so with coal coming of the West Virginia secondary and steel and occasional iron ore products moving about. Not forgetting the grain trains. What are your guy's thoughts? Also, thoughts in general? |
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Post by emd16645 on Oct 23, 2015 8:18:12 GMT -5
Looks like a decent roster to me.
How modern are we talking here? In recent years, for coal/ore/grain run throughs (or deliveries) you can easily justify foreign power. It's something that occurs fairly frequently.
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dtinut
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Post by dtinut on Oct 23, 2015 8:54:35 GMT -5
I've switched from a modern DT&I to a freelance Ohio Southern but, although its freelance I still want my roster to be somewhat realistic. Here's my current drafted roster. ( I follow a DT&I inspired numbering scheme.) (Always subject to change). [/span] 100-101 3 GP15T 300-302 5 GP39-2 400-404 7 SD40-2 500-506 1 GP38AC 200 5 GP38-2 201-205 3 SD40M-2 511-513 4 SD40 507-510 2 SD38-2 250-251 [/ul] The DT&I units #'ed: GP38's 200-206 GP38AC's 207-220 GP38-2's 221-227 & 1776 (228) The SD38's were #'ed: SD38's 250-252 SD38AC's 253-254 Any extra units bought to upgrade the "fleet" should probably be numbered outside of the previously used #'s (IMHO) Regards, Brian [/quote] |
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gevo
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Post by gevo on Oct 23, 2015 14:35:57 GMT -5
Well you could give them 4 digit numbers like when GTW took over the DT&I adds some conversation to the roster
Just my 2 centavos worth
(Slithers back under rock)
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gevo
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Post by gevo on Oct 23, 2015 14:41:10 GMT -5
You could do the dti orange or gwi orange for a brighter orange in place of the BN green do the black roof like BN but add 45 degree white chevron nose stripes to give it that hwy barricade look
My last half a centavos worth
(Back under rock)
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osrr
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Post by osrr on Oct 23, 2015 21:43:36 GMT -5
The DT&I units #'ed: GP38's 200-206 GP38AC's 207-220 GP38-2's 221-227 & 1776 (228) The SD38's were #'ed: SD38's 250-252 SD38AC's 253-254 Any extra units bought to upgrade the "fleet" should probably be numbered outside of the previously used #'s (IMHO) Regards, Brian I'm aware of the DT&I numbers (I actually have them written down orderly for quick reference). I've changed the roster around a little (up top). The 200 series were redone though. I guess if I stick my other thread, the GP35s were traded off (on the 15Ts). And using your suggestion, the "fleet" has been "upgraded" over the years. Six axle and turbo four axles being the preference. Looks like a decent roster to me. How modern are we talking here? In recent years, for coal/ore/grain run throughs (or deliveries) you can easily justify foreign power. It's something that occurs fairly frequently. Modern times (now). So yea, I'd eventually like to do a couple Norfolk Southern units (My favorites are the 8700 (8-40c) and 2600 (SD70m) series). You could do the dti orange or gwi orange for a brighter orange in place of the BN green do the black roof like BN but add 45 degree white chevron nose stripes to give it that hwy barricade look My last half a centavos worth (Back under rock) The plan so far (yes I plan for this to go into the model phase eventually) is to do a Burlington Northern paint scheme, so far the only change will be from green to orange (something close to DT&I orange). I don't mind the idea of chevrons but, I will have to experiment with it when I get in the position to do so. |
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deez
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Post by deez on Oct 23, 2015 22:14:03 GMT -5
I plan my roster around my time period first of all. Mostly because of the locomotives that my surrounding real railroads have gotten rid of at the time. Half of my roster is second hand diesels. The 80's is my time frame.
It's definitely based on diesels I like too. I mainly focus on medium horse power turbo EMD units. UP was kicking out allot of older units during the 80's. Santa Fe did the same with their 26's. I try to justify my railroad picking up these locomotives as they were truly retired.
I've always like Santa Fe's early 60's numbering system and that's where mine is adopted from.
MIDLAND BELT
1982-89 Roster
6-axle
SD28 1600 - 1607 Bought new '64
SD7 1650 - 1653 Ex UP
SD26 1700 - 1707 Ex SF
SDP35 1800 - 1805 Ex UP
SD39 1900 - 1909 Bought new '69
SD40X 1950 - 1955 Ex UP
4-axle
GP15T 1000 - 1004 Bought new '81
GP20 1100 - 1107 Ex UP
GP30 1200 - 1207 Ex UP maybe even a B-unit in the mix
GP35 1300 - 1306 Maybe Ex UP also
GP39-2 1400 - 1407 Bought new '74 phase 1b
GP39X 1500 - 1509 Bought new '80
Roster is pretty set but always subject to change.
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spike
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Post by spike on Oct 26, 2015 2:21:51 GMT -5
My roster is mainly 4 axle because of the number of local assignments. I also like high HP 4 axles because my road is based on Boston and Maine that was their policy.
If you are planning to develop a roasted, there was a MR article in 1987 about Eric Brooman's Utah Belt, and how he developed a roster based on his era, locale, and prototype trends.
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Post by SD39dash2 on Nov 21, 2015 21:33:46 GMT -5
I patterned my roster around the Denver & Rio Grande and Colorado & Southern needs, since my Denver & New Orleans is closer to these two operations in terms of system size and the number of units needed for availability. What's different is that the D&NO does not have the kind of vicious grade territory as the others, and the owners are ever looking for ways to save money. As such, the road has typically opted for lower horsepower options of whatever was available from EMD, either to save maintenance costs by getting nonturbo models (SD18 instead of SD24) or going with fewer cylinders after the 40 series came out (GP/SD39-2s).
With the setting being the late 80s to early 90s, you can expect to see scads of SD39-2s where SD40-2s would be on other railroads, a few SD39s and some SD9s, SD18s and SD28s hanging on in what little helper service is needed or running locals. GP39-2s handle the intermodal traffic, along with a handful of Dash8-40Bs that the road is trying out. This flirtation with GE will eventually lead to Some CN-style Dash 9s by the mid 90s. Newer EMD power from the 80s to the 90s includes GP and SD49s in place of SD50s, and SD59Ms as the first wide cabs on the system. After that, GE takes over with the aforementioned Dash9-44CWs until the present, when SD70ACes would rule the realm.
Of course, that last bit is theoretical, but it would be interesting to flex eras a bit and be able to slide the system into the present based on what's coming out of the staging yard that day. Here's a list for bit more clarity.
4-axle
F3 and F7-Bought new and traded in on SD39s in 1969
SW7 and SW1200-Some still in service, with the oldest units traded on SW1500s
SW1500-Bought new; still in service.
GP18-10 units bought new; most traded in for GP39s
GP28-10 units still in service; slated for rebuilding into GP39s (think BN's GP30/35 rebuilds)
GP39-8 units still in service
GP39-2-10 units still in service
GP49-4 units in testing
Dash8-40B-4 units in testing
6-axle
SD7 -10 units; One wrecked; Most traded in along with the F series for SD39s
SD9 -10 units; One wrecked; 6 units traded for SD39-2s in 1973
SD18-10 units; One wrecked; 7 units traded for SD39-2s in 1973
SD28-12 units; all in service; slated for rebuilding into SD39s
SD39-20 units; all in service
SD39-2 (phase 1) 20 units new in 1973; 2 wrecked 1985
SD39-2 (phase 2) 20 units new in 1978; all in service
SD39-2 (phase 3) 10 units new in 1981; 1 wrecked 1985
SD49 -4 units in testing
Mid 90s and beyond
SD59M -10 units in 1990; all in service
Dash9-44CW -14 units new in 1994-95; painted in a version of D&NO F-unit scheme
SD70ACe -40 units new in 2006; all painted in F-unit scheme
There are a few historical holes to be filled there and I have not finished the numbering system, but that gives an idea of what I wanted for a largely made-up fleet for a made-up railroad trying to rival the KCS or something similar.
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Post by Packer on Nov 21, 2015 21:46:56 GMT -5
I didn't have a plan. Still don't.
Right now modeling a 1981 BN. I have 2 bicentennials, 2 SD24s, 2 C425s, a C636, a RS3, a RS11 which don't really fit. IDK what a "balanced" roster would be like for me, as it would probably be location dependent.
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pacbelt
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Post by pacbelt on Nov 22, 2015 0:29:34 GMT -5
The terrain dictates the roster at the Pacific Belt RR....
With some sharp curves, SD38-2 and SD40-2 are the absolute longest power allowable. And those, are forced to 15mph on the sharpest curves, due to extreme coupler swing.
My "World" is in 1977-78. The PBRR is undergoing a large in-house rebuilding program.
Four GP35s are being rebuilt into GP28Ms.
Three SD35s, rebuilding as SD38Ps.
Two SD40-2s being rebuilt as, not yet designated... with 16-645Es, from wrecked SD38s.
We're still hammering away, with 10 GP9s, constantly fixing and upgrading.
Also working out a new scheme, testing in the paint booth as we speak!
~ Carmine
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deez
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Post by deez on Nov 22, 2015 12:21:50 GMT -5
I think I also need to take into consideration the type of operations I want especially for my locomotives. That means the options they are equipped with. The Southern California track and conditions which are allot of ex Pacific Electric track and abandoned SP track tells me I need lighter locomotives. So even my SD units tend to be smaller. In fact the SD39's are the biggest units. The 12cyl engines are lighter in assuming. The fuel tanks are to be 3200 gal. like IT's SD39's. None of my units have to travel way far so smaller fuel tanks work and keep weight down. L windows for all units bought new that were optioned that way. Triple clasp iron shoe trucks on all SD's. Most units have Flexicoil C1 trucks anyways. SD39's will have Flexicoil C2C triple clasp. No roof clutter. These units are bought cheap.
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deez
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Post by deez on Nov 22, 2015 13:10:44 GMT -5
It's nice that Athearn has introduced SD39's now too. But sadly for my freelance none of their models quite fit my options. Even the undecs hav a 4000 gal. fuel tank. I'll stick with my Kato SD45/Hi-Tech bashed units for now. I'll still have to find smaller fuel tanks though.
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osrr
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Post by osrr on Nov 23, 2015 3:44:12 GMT -5
It's nice that Athearn has introduced SD39's now too. But sadly for my freelance none of their models quite fit my options. Even the undecs hav a 4000 gal. fuel tank. I'll stick with my Kato SD45/Hi-Tech bashed units for now. I'll still have to find smaller fuel tanks though. Athearns site lists the NW, IT, and MN&S as having 3200 gallon tanks. So I imagine there's a way to get your hands on one. |
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Post by deez on Nov 23, 2015 11:22:08 GMT -5
Yeah but all of 3200 gal models have no dynamics. I'd rather find 3200 gal tanks for the 3 SD39's I have already built than buy the Athearn and find dynamics. Does Kato make any 3200 gal tanks for and it their EMD models? Either that or I think Atlas might have some.
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Post by T on Nov 23, 2015 22:36:33 GMT -5
Here’s what the original D. T. & S. RR Loco roster looked like prior to the switch to HO-SCALE .
Tom
The D.T.&S The original ..
1 0-4-0 Electric >Lionel
1 2-4-2 PRR > Lionel
2 MOPAC ALCO FA’S > Lionel
2 4-4-2 READING > AMERICAN FLYER
1 0-4-0 NYC > MARX
2 ERIE ALCO FA’S > Lionel
1 4-6-4 NKP > AMERICAN FLYER
1 0-4-0 with Lionel tender
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osrr
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Post by osrr on Nov 24, 2015 0:51:05 GMT -5
Yeah but all of 3200 gal models have no dynamics. I'd rather find 3200 gal tanks for the 3 SD39's I have already built than buy the Athearn and find dynamics. Does Kato make any 3200 gal tanks for and it their EMD models? Either that or I think Atlas might have some. I mean't you'll probably be able to order the tanks seperate straight from Athearn. You can do that with most parts. Didn't the MILW SD40-2s have 3200 Gallon tanks? If so then Athearn already makes one. |
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spike
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Post by spike on Dec 20, 2015 4:29:09 GMT -5
In my roster there are 3 GP60Ms. I have been thinking about getting the Canadian cabs for them, but I may just use the stock RPP. My reasoning was for pooling power with CN, and CV. Even though I model New England, I work on the railway into Canada. This gave me an excuse for a Canadian looking unit. These units have the bell mounted above the windshield, and have vertical steps. They also have snow shields over the air intakes.
The point is that the locale has as much to influence your power as the terrain, and types of freight. Some examples are winterization hatches, or air conditioners.
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