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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2015 23:07:51 GMT -5
One thing i got caught on my freelance road on the roster was the amount of a certain class of locomotives
Take your alco's for instance some of your quantity amounts are close to the actual total output for that model
Emd ge can get away easily with
but alco fm baldwin you might need to lower the model quantity as they didn't produce the manufacturing numbers that the other builders did
And rule 1 it is your railroad just offering some friendly advice
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Post by Milwaukee Road 513 on Mar 22, 2015 2:46:28 GMT -5
Friendly advices are always welcome Vince! This is a thought that have nagging in the back of my head the whole time, the complete output of some Alco, Baldwin etc. etc., models. I'm still going back and forth here with the roster and I'm sure that some will be lowered in quantity and I'm also sure that some will completely disappear off the list as well... I guess that this is one of the headaches with doing a freelance system, to try to keep it realistic and not fall into the trap with what you'd like for your company to have, because some of the locomotives are on ones list favourite of favourites... What's your company called and so on...? Thanks again mate!  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2015 13:54:16 GMT -5
MR513
I'm returning here but right now as my introduction states kinda going through a divorce right now
All trains are gone so once i get back on my feet looking at returning to ho after being in n scale for a long time
My previous freelance road was the Indian Rock based out of Indian Rock Beach Florida but originally started as the IR&W in 1980-82 based off the BN
As for a name of my new road it'll still be the IR just in ho instead of n scale era might become early mid 90's
I'm currently working on a color scheme of dark blue, grey & yellow pinstripes
As for era most likely 1994-97 with the newest units being sd70mac's & 9-44CW's unless i stay with 1986-1989
Anyways when i get the new story together i'll post here
Back on topic now
As for your road having the units do a wiki search by model (example alco rsc2) by doing this unless you already have the build quantity data you can see who bought how many what the total units produced were then adjust your numbers accordingly
So Say alco built 100 rsc2's you want some but instead of say 25 you cut that back to 10 or 12 units this way you still get your rsc2's and it becomes more believable
Yes you most likely would have many FM's seeing as their in your back yard by your era date of 1970 consider some being rebuilt with emd alco or ge power plants to extend their life span
Doing the rebuilds if you add sound to say an FM H16-44 you could have one idle with an emd power plant but yet another one number higher or lower still has it's beloit power plant
Enough rambling hope i haven't confused you to much
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Post by Milwaukee Road 513 on Mar 22, 2015 14:57:39 GMT -5
Sorry to hear that Vince...
Sounds interesting that railroad...
I did something similar with my railroad, using the Wiki when necessary... I tried also looking what my favourite railroads (8 of them) had of one type and then divided with that number, if there was 150 GP9's and five companies had them, then 150/5=30, maybe not the best idea, but I'm sure that I'd gone wild with some types otherwise... As it is now, I'm waiting for two Stewart BLW VO-1000's, one will receive a GP9 hood and the other an RS-11, inspired by the ATSF Beep... Should be fun, I hope, a bit different from the usual 1/72 and 1/48 kits that I fiddle with... Will also try, with a bit of help, hopefully, from the professionals here, to fit Blomberg and AAR trucks on them, just need to work up a lot of courage for that...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2015 15:30:50 GMT -5
Time i've got so much time on my hands that a mime looks like a marathon runner LOL
As for emd units it's not unusual to have moderate numbers of their units remember back then they were the number one builder and ge was just starting to come on strong
My road is fairly easy my roster is already in place as i'm following and using the Seaboard System roster removing any real oddballs and adding some others just keeping the numbers balanced is the hard part
Good example here the SS
Had all those gp16's now do i cut that number down a little so i can have a dozen or so rebuilt sd9's, or when the gp7/9's were rebuilt do i pattern them after the gp16's or do I wait until the mid 80's and do a complete rebuild like the BN did turning them into gp28m's with modern hood's and cabs because by the late 80's the gp16's were closing in on 12-15 years old
So as you can see one class of engines and so many ways to rebuild them
My road is kinda following the csx path of a privately held company
Thinking maybe IRXT FOR Indian Rock Transportation privately held not so sure though
The webs we freelancers weave
Thought for you to ponder the Frisco was approximately an 7900 mile road before becoming part of BN look at the roster they had for quantity of unit's to run their system
I'm using fallenflags.org for rosters but now that i'm using the SS roster i'm using the CSX photo archives for my roster
Check out the Milwaukee roster on fallenflags.org he has a lot of older diesel pics from the MR
Just a thought
On my way to the library will take a better look at your roster so i have a better understanding do you have paint colors chosen yet?
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Post by Milwaukee Road 513 on Mar 22, 2015 16:22:15 GMT -5
I had, but decided to scrap it...unfortunately, I'm totally hopeless at this with Gimp2 and what all those programs might be called, managed to work out a logo though, still some work to be done...  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2015 16:26:48 GMT -5
Looking at what my favourite companies had in Alco's and so on, I came up with this. I saw that N&W had 99 RS-11's (plus another 35 when merging the NKP) and D&H had 101 RS-3's!! Forgot that, but then again, Alco was on D&H's playground, weren't they?
15 Alco S-2
20 Alco S-4
9 Alco RS-1
12 Alco RS-2
39 Alco RS-3
33 Alco RS-11
9 Alco RS-32
15 Alco RSD-7
9 Alco RSD-12
15 Alco RSD-15
17 Alco RSC-2
25 Alco RSD-5
10 Alco C-420
14 Alco C-424
19 Alco C-425
23 Alco C-628
15 Alco C-630
15 Alco C-636
This leave me 314 Alco's on the roster. Mind you though, I'm not too sure about the RSD-7/12/15's yet, might change to just one of the three, same with the C-424/425 and just either one there as well.. Being inspired by Milwaukee Road as much that I am I'm having quite a few miles of branches, also have a soft spot for N&W's Abingdon branch, I'll be using the RSC-2 and RSD-5's for that, or.....should I just go for the RSD-5's? Another thing, would the RS-11's, RS-32's and the C-420's be suitable for high speed service, which would mean 52 locomotives? As you may have noticed, I haven't added any PA/PB's or FA/FB's...thinking of sticking with EMD E's and F's, good or bad?
As always, ideas, suggestions, etc., etc., are very much welcome and appreciated! after looking at your alco roster it reminded me of what I was once told, having one of every model wouldn't be prototypical on any roster all at the same time in my opinion and everyone has one maybe cut the rsd7's quantity & cut the number of rsc2's by 1970 they were getting rare the numbers on the rest seem to be okay to me remember the N&W had rsd7-12-&-15's? the 15's were from a pic I saw somewhere I seen a pic labeled rsd15 N&W but it looked more like an rsd7 to me |
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Post by Milwaukee Road 513 on Mar 22, 2015 16:58:54 GMT -5
I replied and it's all gone, what the....??
Well, again then....most likely the RSD-7/12 and the -15's will disappear from the roster, possibly the either of the C424/425's or both, will also look into the RS-32 as well and the C420.... Not too sure about some of the GE's either, might limit myself to the U30B/C or the U33B/C, definitely a chance that the U36C will be taken off.. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2015 19:07:26 GMT -5
MR513 on the ge's remember a u33c could have it's fuel rack settings adjusted to make it a u36c power wise but still actually a u33c
As for the c424-5 those are feasible to run all the way into the late 1970's look at BN they retired theirs in 1980-82
You might want to reconsider keeping the emd's and ge's
As you stated about your gp9's of approximately 100 unit's being to much look at the chessie system over 300 + unit's BN almost 300 unit's atsf rebuilt gp7/9's approximately 200 + so your 100 approximate units is considered average the SS had a little over 100 gp16's rebuilt from gp7's
Remember the easier the parts supply the more chance of that manufacturer's items being around the BN alco's lasted because BN was able to source parts from MLW in Canada
Hope this tid bit of info isn't confusing
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2015 19:14:25 GMT -5
Cheers John, appreciated as always! Just trying to work some more the roster for M&W. Even though I'm concentrating on an all EMD covered wagon roster, I can't help but thinking that I should add some from Baldwin and FM, would that be an idea or? Another thing, is there some locomotives that should be swapped, as maybe two could do the same work and then maybe, for the ease of parts and repairs, swap around and stick to one type of engine instead... Baldwin: 12 VO-1000 9 AS-16 6 AS-616 10 RS-12 8 S-12 20 DS4-4-1000 7 VO-660 Fairbanks Morse 15 H10-44 25 H12-44 20 H16-44 15 H16-66 As I'm operating in the same area as Milwaukee Road and in doing so, I've got FM in my backyard, should I add more units, to support their business etc., etc...? ....and as always, ideas, suggestions etc., etc., are welcome as always! MR513 On another note the baldwins didn't play well with other brands due to their air operated throttles That's why you don't see pics of anything else running with them unless there was a crew in each brand |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2015 1:52:14 GMT -5
I had, but decided to scrap it...unfortunately, I'm totally hopeless at this with Gimp2 and what all those programs might be called, managed to work out a logo though, still some work to be done... Nice logo |
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Post by Milwaukee Road 513 on Mar 23, 2015 7:21:18 GMT -5
Thanks, used the old Norfolk & Western logo and tweaked a wee bit with it, still a bit to go....
...and thanks again for the info on the U33's, that's the U36's out the window then...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2015 11:56:50 GMT -5
No problem.
forgot about the atsf u36c's they made its all the way to the BNSF merger
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Post by Milwaukee Road 513 on Mar 26, 2015 9:21:14 GMT -5
Well, one more shift, then weekend....and I'm off next week, so time to look into the roster a bit more! |
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Post by poweredby251 on Mar 28, 2015 10:15:05 GMT -5
Definitely an incorrect identification. The N&W only had the RSD-12's, no RSD-7's or RSD-15's.
John
Looking at what my favourite companies had in Alco's and so on, I came up with this. I saw that N&W had 99 RS-11's (plus another 35 when merging the NKP) and D&H had 101 RS-3's!! Forgot that, but then again, Alco was on D&H's playground, weren't they?
15 Alco S-2
20 Alco S-4
9 Alco RS-1
12 Alco RS-2
39 Alco RS-3
33 Alco RS-11
9 Alco RS-32
15 Alco RSD-7
9 Alco RSD-12
15 Alco RSD-15
17 Alco RSC-2
25 Alco RSD-5
10 Alco C-420
14 Alco C-424
19 Alco C-425
23 Alco C-628
15 Alco C-630
15 Alco C-636
This leave me 314 Alco's on the roster. Mind you though, I'm not too sure about the RSD-7/12/15's yet, might change to just one of the three, same with the C-424/425 and just either one there as well.. Being inspired by Milwaukee Road as much that I am I'm having quite a few miles of branches, also have a soft spot for N&W's Abingdon branch, I'll be using the RSC-2 and RSD-5's for that, or.....should I just go for the RSD-5's? Another thing, would the RS-11's, RS-32's and the C-420's be suitable for high speed service, which would mean 52 locomotives? As you may have noticed, I haven't added any PA/PB's or FA/FB's...thinking of sticking with EMD E's and F's, good or bad?
As always, ideas, suggestions, etc., etc., are very much welcome and appreciated! after looking at your alco roster it reminded me of what I was once told, having one of every model wouldn't be prototypical on any roster all at the same time in my opinion and everyone has one maybe cut the rsd7's quantity & cut the number of rsc2's by 1970 they were getting rare the numbers on the rest seem to be okay to me remember the N&W had rsd7-12-&-15's? the 15's were from a pic I saw somewhere I seen a pic labeled rsd15 N&W but it looked more like an rsd7 to me |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2015 18:32:52 GMT -5
Thanks John
Wasn't sure on the N&W alco's
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