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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2014 9:41:12 GMT -5
After looking at a bunch of SDP45 photos, I am going to add two more to my roster. I like big power like this and I think they will fit right in with CSR's operations.
500 ex CNW SD40-2 501 ex EL/SP/UP SDP45 502 ex EL/SP/UP SDP45 503 ex EL/SP/UP SDP45 504 ex QNS&L/NREX SD40-2 505 ex QNS&L/NREX SD40-2 506 ex QNS&L/HLCX SD40-2 507 ex UP Q-equipped SD40-2 508 ex C&O/Utah Railway SD40 509 ex SP/UP SD40T-2 510 ex UP SD40-2 snoot 511 ex UP SD40-2 snoot
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Post by MitchGDRMCo on Apr 17, 2014 9:45:05 GMT -5
Any thought on using ex-other freelance RR locomotives?
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Post by emd16645 on Apr 17, 2014 10:09:20 GMT -5
I think Brian could use an ex-CN SD40-2W on his roster. ;-)
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Post by enginseer on Apr 17, 2014 10:31:42 GMT -5
I found this website that has info and locomotive particulars which may be interesting. I hope it's useful. link
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2014 11:02:02 GMT -5
Any thought on using ex-other freelance RR locomotives? GDRMCO, This is the type of conversation that I really like. All the story development and discussion. Naturally of course I like discussing the CSR. Pretty much NO. There is a specific reason for this. I am still a prototype modeler. My locomotives are based on a prototype. The only things that differ on my models is the paint scheme and railroad name. Other than that the model is built per the prototype it is based on. The SDP45's will be built per the prototype when they were owned by UP. But, there is no reason visiting freelanced road power can't be in my lash ups. Lets say for instance UP has to pay off barrowed power time and UP has a Kansas Pacific unit handy to send up to CSR. That would be very reasonable. Also, it may be reasonable that CSR might lease freelanced power. Such as what Georgia Road is putting together for rebuilds.
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Post by Randy Earle on Apr 17, 2014 11:31:22 GMT -5
Brian, I think one of these would be jim dandy on the CSR, eh?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2014 11:54:58 GMT -5
Brian, I think one of these would be jim dandy on the CSR, eh? Yes, this locomotive would work out just fine. Although the Kato SD40-2 has the correct truck spacing, the only drawback to me is it is a Kato model. Although I like the Kato motors, I am not all that keen on their truck side frames and the heavy use of Delrin and "impossible to glue to overly brittle" ABS plastic. Not very modeler friendly. I'll take the Athearn shorter truck spacing and much more modeler friendly plastic over the Kato model. The Kato model makes for a good runner though. I will add though that IF I wanted to just do a quick model job to get my roster done and ready to run. I would outfit it with Kato SD40-2's (ex BN) and do a good paint and weathering job on them. That would actually work out great. Like the model above, they would look good and run great. Not to get away from this threads main topic, but what I really like about this EMD lease model. No detail work. Just a dandy paint job and weathering gets this model high marks with me. It brings across what it is supposed to do and is ready for operations. For the sake of just having fun with model trains I have tried time and again to do just what is shown above. Every time though it turns into a major rebuild project. If I could just get away from that, I would actually have a pretty decent collection already.
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Post by Randy Earle on Apr 17, 2014 12:59:55 GMT -5
At first, I didn't care for the EMD Leasing scheme, but after seening 3 units in that scheme on the Wheeling & Lake Erie, it grew on me.
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Post by stevef45 on Apr 18, 2014 1:55:57 GMT -5
Well, I have come to the realization that I cannot wait so long to get back to modeling. I am going to hold off on building my hobby room in the garage and simply set up the garage the way I have it now. When I get all the landscaping done and the house all settled in, then I can look at getting my room built. In the mean time, I will set it up so I can get back to modeling ASAP. Hopefully that will be some time in June. I will get back to the QNS&L build. Going to the Savannah RPM meet, got me motivated again. Just needed to get around like minded modelers. I have already started planning the next big build. It will not be a Copper State Railway locomotive. It will be a Ferromex unit that is paying off time for UP barrowing a CSR unit. The roster is changing a bit. I was going to add an SDP45, but decided against it. Instead that slot will be taken by an SD40 ex C&O/Utah Railway/EJ&E. At one time, a friend of mine took ownership of either all or a good many of the Utah Railway SD40's. So one of them made it to CSR. So the roster stands at 12 units still. 500 ex CNW SD40-2 501 ex UP Q equipped SD40-2 502 ex UP SD40-2 snoot 503 ex UP SD40-2 snoot 504 ex QNS&L/NREX SD40-2 505 ex QNS&L/NREX SD40-2 506 ex QNS&L/HLCX SD40-2 507 ex ? SD45 508 ex C&O/Utah Railway SD40 509 ex SP/UP SD40T-2 510 ex ? SD45 511 ex SP SD45 The SD45's are going to be a combination of three models. The frame and trucks will be from Athearn. The shell from P2K and the drive from Kato. The SD40 will be from Kato and the truck side frames will be Athearn. I have also decided to add a yard slug. This will be an ex SP slug built from a C628. A very good friend of mine has the Overland brass model of this and will loan it to me so I can use it as a reference for building my own. I also have some 4 axle power. Still need to iron out the heritage. I have two GP38-2's and two GP35R's. One of the GP38-2's is from CN with the comfort cab. These units are for the two branch lines. I have also reduced my route map to match the real SP/UP operations. I revised the write up on my web site. Lines west no longer exists. Basically the line service ends at the agricultural district in Goodyear, AZ. The track out to Welton is still there, but is no longer in service. There is no more service to the Palo Verde nuclear power plant. Those tracks were taken out after 911. All interchange with the UP happens in Eloy. The copper concentrate is not going to the LA docks. It is going south of the border to ports in Guaymas, Mexico. I wish i could remember the link someone posted and had a link to a pic of the 4 SDP45's that ended up on a regional or shortline in the midwest somewhere. They were former EL, then SP.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2014 9:18:01 GMT -5
I am planning on adding a yard slug. I do not have a prototype to base it off of and cannot find any that would be purchased through a second hand dealer. So this will be my first and ONLY non-prototype based model.
The slug is based on an SD40-2 chassis. Basically the concept would be a wreck rebuild. It would be based on a cheap rebuild. Battery boxes would stay. The hood would be cut down to the same height at the low nose. Using existing SD type slugs as reference, I would add the necessary louvered doors and such. Fuel tank would stay for ballast.
I like to have my locomotives powered so I want to find a way to power the slug. I have an idea and would like your thoughts on it. Take two Kato N-Scale motors and use one per truck. What I do not know is if the two N-Scale motors are enough to match one HO motor for speed.
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Post by emd16645 on Apr 23, 2014 10:04:13 GMT -5
I am right there with you on having all units powered and agree that slugs should not be an exception. I am in the planning/fiddling stages on a CN slug to go with a future GP9RM build I will be accomplishing. My plan for that slug is to use a pair of the new Kato P42 trucks with the truck mounted motors. That should work perfectly for my needs, athough since you are building a SD40-2 based slug, you'd need to figure out a way for a six-axle design, whether you graft the motor onto a six-axle truck, or add a dummy axle to one end. Other option would be to build a four-axle slug.
As far as your concern with N-scale motors and speed matching, if you use DCC you should be able to program the motors to respond in a satisfactory manner.
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Post by Canadian Atlantic Railway on Apr 23, 2014 18:13:42 GMT -5
I am planning on adding a yard slug. I do not have a prototype to base it off of and cannot find any that would be purchased through a second hand dealer. So this will be my first and ONLY non-prototype based model. The slug is based on an SD40-2 chassis. Basically the concept would be a wreck rebuild. It would be based on a cheap rebuild. Battery boxes would stay. The hood would be cut down to the same height at the low nose. Using existing SD type slugs as reference, I would add the necessary louvered doors and such. Fuel tank would stay for ballast. I like to have my locomotives powered so I want to find a way to power the slug. I have an idea and would like your thoughts on it. Take two Kato N-Scale motors and use one per truck. What I do not know is if the two N-Scale motors are enough to match one HO motor for speed. Take a look at the BRC. They have at least one slug built from an ex UP SD40-2. www.colours.rrpicturearchives.net/locoList.aspx?id=BRC&mid=885
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2014 19:40:57 GMT -5
Thanks for the link.
I like those deturboed SD40's as well.
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Post by milw199 on Apr 26, 2014 23:09:48 GMT -5
Brian, I think one of these would be jim dandy on the CSR, eh? Or its current paint scheme: One of the ex-CRIP units that bounced around a while, got dynamics added for lease fleet service.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2014 11:51:56 GMT -5
While I am waiting for a job to run here at work, I started thinking of a "what if" situation for my freelanced road.
Going back to the early 1980's when SF and SP announced a merger and were so sure of it that they repainted some of their units to signify its approval. So taking that time line and moving my Copper State Railway back to say 1983. Looking at the system map for both SF and SP, there appears to be a redundant paralleling line. SF in northern AZ and SP in Southern AZ. With SP and SF so sure of the merger, SP sold off its Sunset route from El Paso, TX to Los Angeles, CA. This gave Copper State Railway reign over southern New Mexico, Arizona and Southern California. This also gives CSR the Carrizo Gorge line that runs from El Centro, CA to San Diego, CA. This line dips down into Mexico as well for a good portion of its run.
It is a tempting piece of bait hanging out in front of me, but I do not think I will bite. It would give me a reason to backdate and modernize, but it is to big for me to manage. TO much motive power to think about. I could also run it as when the SP SF merger failed, CSR leased the line back to SP and just kept the Phoenix operation as it is today. Part of the UP takeover of the DRGW/SP was that UP purchased back the line from CSR and CSR has a rather nice bank roll now for operations.
Just some fun building alternative story lines. I like the one I originally came up with better though.
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Post by antlorch on May 1, 2014 19:42:06 GMT -5
Though this all sounds good and opens LOTS of possibilities I think you would get overwhelmed and not get what you really want out of it like you had planned with your original idea.
With your original idea you have lots of possibilities for switching and moving products. You're goal with the original idea is reachable and you are already headed in the right direction worth what you have going on.
Keep focused, lol.
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Post by MitchGDRMCo on May 1, 2014 21:40:11 GMT -5
I prefer the idea of the original concept, a small fightin' shortline, it'd just expand out of hand if you were to follow the newer concept.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2014 6:46:02 GMT -5
I am in 100% agreement. The original concept has a lot more appeal to me. I spent a lot of time building the story line for it and developing it. It sits well with what I want to accomplish and the motive power roster is manageable.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2014 14:50:21 GMT -5
Copper State Railway has added to the roster an ex EJ&E SD38 recently purchased from Railway Service Contractors. railwayservicecontractors.com/locomotivesales.htmlThis unit will be promptly put into yard service along with an SD40-2 based slug. MODELING: I have built but never finished about four of these models. I always seem to sell them off before I am finished with them. This one I will finish. I'll start with a Kato SD45. I want to use the SD45 because it has the correct pilot plate. I'll sand the deck down and put Cannon tread plate on it. The long hood will be an Atlas GP38 and the rest will be made up from Cannon & Co. parts. The DB hatch will be two spliced Atlas GP38 hatches with Cannon fans. The truck side frames will be Athearn rebuilt to triple claps and then mated to the Kato gear tower. I still need to gather all the parts, but this will be a distant future project. I do want to locate an Atlas GP38 shell though. So I have to ask. The early version GP38 shell and the standard version shell. Any differences? I know the early version is an oil bath and I am not concerned about the DB hatch. Just the hood itself. Can I use an early version hood? I ask because Atlas has only the early version in stock. So if there is no difference in the door arrangements and radiator section, then I am good to go.
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Post by stevef45 on May 6, 2014 22:38:32 GMT -5
ebay has lots of atlas long hoods recently. might have the one you need.
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