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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2012 11:32:50 GMT -5
Randy,
I'm liking that. Basically the original concept I had. I would just rather the yellow be black. The heralf is going to be a coppery tan.
Thanks for taking the time, It gives me a good perspective of the scheme.
Brian
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2012 11:34:58 GMT -5
BTW and not to get off subject, what is that program?
Brian
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2012 11:47:37 GMT -5
I am sitting here lookin gover this rendering and it is exactly the look I want. Even the blue color is what I am after. Randy, you must have been really reading my mind . I resized the logo to fit like in your example. I just sent it to Microscale to ask if the text at this size would be readable. If so, This is the scheme I am going with. It is just what I was imagining. Changes though would be black instead of yellow. Brian
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Post by malcolmcelyn on Aug 19, 2012 12:16:43 GMT -5
I've mentioned this somewhere before; it applies more to smaller concerns with fewer locomotives, but can still be seen with the larger companies. Although "standard" schemes are usually planned, they don't always get used exactly as designed, differences showing up especially between the various classes employed, but also within single class structures. Firmly believing that "the art of the typical is the art that convinces", more than one scheme would appear to be desirable. Now, that's not to suggest that all locomotives are decorated in a distinctive way, but showing a "standard" scheme on a couple of engines, followed by a couple more with small variations (size of font used for road name or change of colour from white to black for numbers for example), followed by a pair in the "new standard" might be the most realistic. Just my humble opinion, you understand. I've not seen this approach detailed in writing before, although examples may exist. With the best will in the world, a small company is not going to have a "perfect" corporate image, at least not overnight, so all sorts of equipment would be subject to livery alterations, as well as locomotives. I'd love to see someone have the nerve to make their freelance railroad reflect my thoughts.
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Post by Randy Earle on Aug 19, 2012 12:24:02 GMT -5
BTW and not to get off subject, what is that program? Brian Trainz Simulator. I've been running that locomotive. I can get in the cab, or ride outside on the steps. I've gotten pretty good at reskinning locomotives using Trainz Objectz. You can buy Trainz Simulator 2004 for around 10 bucks. You can build your own layouts, plant trees & flowers, make roads...the possibilities are endless. The 500 on the side is in Rio Grande Font.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2012 14:06:06 GMT -5
Randy, That is basically it. Differences will be diagonal white sill stripe and stripes at the top of the pilot.
Malcolm, your suggestion is a VERY good one. One that I will incorporate I think. Maybe put a couple different logos on the decal sheet. Thanks for the suggestion.
Time to go down and bend some brake lines.
Brian
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Post by deez on Aug 19, 2012 14:41:34 GMT -5
Hey Randy, Is that Trainz Objects a separate program? Looks like fun this reskinning thing.
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Post by Randy Earle on Aug 19, 2012 17:49:30 GMT -5
Hey Randy, Is that Trainz Objects a separate program? Looks like fun this reskinning thing. Yes, it's available online for free but only works with the 2004 version. Attachments:
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Post by big train james on Aug 19, 2012 23:05:27 GMT -5
I like this one. But with the black outline of the "Copper State Railway" band continuous across the outline of the state. Making the band the foreground and the state outline the background. Numbers on the cab side. Jim
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Post by big train james on Aug 19, 2012 23:12:12 GMT -5
And you can never have too much striping on the ends. I love this. Jim
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Post by deez on Aug 20, 2012 1:04:15 GMT -5
Hell yeah Jim!! Those are some awesome Alcos!! I love Chevrons on the pilot face too!!
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Post by 1fatrussian on Aug 20, 2012 1:05:44 GMT -5
Brian,
Glad you got back to this project, looking forward to seeing it come together. Phoenix Yard is super busy these days, even the Magma Local (which goes on duty in Tucson) is overnighting there now. Make sure you stripe the front ends of those locos, there are a lot of rural unprotected crossings out here.
Eric
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2012 6:57:42 GMT -5
Jim,
Those look sweet! Very inspring and encouraging to keep my project very alive.
Eric, thanks for the info. BTW, has the Magma mine reopend? or is the traffic on that branch really for the Copper Basin? I know that this branch serves both the Magma and the Copper Basin. If I ever get back that way again ( I hope to, my mom lives there) I wil make it a point to take a few days and travel teh lines to get loads of photos. I used to drive from San Diego to Phoenix regularly and never stopped in Wellton to take pictures. I do remember what it all looks like though.
Last night I finished bending all the brake lines and plumbed the brake cylinders. I finally made a tool that makes it all to easy and all lines are identical. Nice crisp bends. Tonight I will make the tie down bracket that holds the brake line to the side frame.
Brian
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2012 16:58:09 GMT -5
I received the green light from Microscale that the size of the logo will print out just fine. Now I can go back to getting my sheet ready. I am going to do some boxcar size logos also.
Brian
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2012 19:42:14 GMT -5
Jim,
Your right. I did a test and put the state in teh background and removed the black outline from it. It looks better. The name stands out more.
Thanks for the idea.
Brian
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2012 20:47:16 GMT -5
Going along with what Malcolm mentioned earlier in this thread about having different varied shemes, I have put on my decal sheet three different schemes I can use. The decal sheet is coming along well. I am almost done. I set it up that two sheets per one locomotive. Since I will not be able to sell any of these because it is my own road, I will have 250 sheets from a run and thre is no need to get it all off one sheet. So to number the models it will take two sheets. This way I can get more on one sheet.
I only have left to size the boxcar logo. I need to decide what kind of boxcar is going to be the fleet standard and then get one so I can size it. I'll use a standard MS sheet to number the car. I'll add the reporting marks to my sheet.
Brian
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Post by malcolmcelyn on Aug 21, 2012 5:32:24 GMT -5
Going along with what Malcolm mentioned earlier in this thread about having different varied shemes, I have put on my decal sheet three different schemes I can use.
I'm honoured that you're prepared to try my suggestions Brian! I'm genuinely looking forward to seeing photos of the completed fleet. Fingers crossed my thoughts are vindicated. Best of luck.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2012 20:56:19 GMT -5
Tonight I successfully built a snubber extension so I can put the wheel slip device on the center axle. Now I have to build three more. I had an extra set of SD40-2 side frames so I sliced the journal cap off, sanded the back down and then built the extension off it.
I am rather curious though. I looked at photos of the EJ&E units that have this. It has them on both sides. Even though there are no slip indicators on the right side it still has the extensions. Maybe it is to equalize the snubber action. No matter, I am proto-freelancing and that seems to be the "proto" part.
Brian
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Post by milw199 on Aug 22, 2012 5:59:36 GMT -5
As for the Q-tron, a few outfits that rebuilt older power put them in. It makes the units pull better, close to what a SD50-60 would pull at lower speeds. CP rebuilt a fair number of SD40s, and WC had quite a few SD45s with Q-tron or similar systems. The EJE SD38-2s are the only ones I have seen with leads running to each axle. Kennecott numbers, for reference.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2012 9:01:16 GMT -5
Mike,
Thanks for the info. At least I now know what the benefits of a wheel slip device is. I really appreciate the info. It really helps with the "why" of things.
Brian
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