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Post by iomalley on Dec 2, 2011 20:35:43 GMT -5
Progress?
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Post by cargostar on Dec 14, 2011 12:35:21 GMT -5
I'm stumped on it.... Most of the pictures I had been able to find are front 3/4 shots that do not show the rear of the unit........and then.....I found one, from a distance, that shows there was not a rear platform on them, and the end hand rails terminated into the side of the long hood. So, I'm back to hunting for a good side/rear end shot so that I can confirm how it is supposed to be.
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Post by steve4 on Dec 14, 2011 13:21:25 GMT -5
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Post by m636 on Dec 14, 2011 13:46:18 GMT -5
One more.
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Post by iomalley on Dec 14, 2011 15:55:39 GMT -5
I'm stumped on it.... Most of the pictures I had been able to find are front 3/4 shots that do not show the rear of the unit........and then.....I found one, from a distance, that shows there was not a rear platform on them, and the end hand rails terminated into the side of the long hood. So, I'm back to hunting for a good side/rear end shot so that I can confirm how it is supposed to be. I've been looking for one for years too...it's what's stopping me from building one, and a good shot of the grillework on the end of the longhood too. The end handrail does wrap around the end like Eric's pic of the Amtrak units. The end platform is mostly anticlimber and may show like the handrail terminates into the longhood. I'll check my pics, but not sure if I'll come up with anything... On a related note, does anyone know/think that the new TLT MP40 chassis would be a good option for a GP40TC chassis?
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Post by m636 on Dec 14, 2011 16:56:07 GMT -5
one more
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Post by m636 on Dec 14, 2011 16:56:51 GMT -5
one more
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Post by m636 on Dec 14, 2011 16:57:35 GMT -5
last one
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Post by iomalley on Dec 14, 2011 18:18:40 GMT -5
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Post by slowfreight on Dec 14, 2011 19:15:33 GMT -5
They got deturbo-ed? That's criminal!
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Post by cargostar on Dec 14, 2011 23:46:31 GMT -5
Thanks for the links. I had found most of them during my research. The biggest problem is that they were rebuilt in the mid 70's, and they changed the end of the long hood. One they were in Amtraks hands, the rear end was rebuilt again....... This is the picture that I have found that throws the doubt into my mind about the rear anticlimber/platform.
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Post by iomalley on Dec 15, 2011 8:19:13 GMT -5
Holy crap you're right!!!! Wow that HEP cabinet musta changed a 1/2 dozen times!!!
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Post by cargostar on Dec 15, 2011 10:06:08 GMT -5
OR....did it vary from unit to unit???
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Post by slowfreight on Dec 16, 2011 21:49:21 GMT -5
OK...are the last two pictures of the same unit? I know they were renumbered but wasn't sure if 9504 is also 504 (number's a bit fuzzy in the pic with the gallery car).
Anyway, comparing the last two photos, it appears that in both cases the hood extends 2 doors past the "box" thing that is 3 doors wide and starts after the traditional end of a GP40 long hood. Looking at the end of the anticlimber relative to the coupler, it appears that the original anticlimber was short enough to keep the handrail from extending around the back of the long hood. But then, in the post-renumbering photo, the hood extension after the box (filter box?) remains two doors long while the anticlimber appears to extend well over the coupler. Remember, that the diaphragm of the bilevel--still can't get over that thing in the photo!--will end just about even with the end of the coupler knuckle. Were the 504 coupled to a car with a diaphragm in the photo, you'd see the anticlimber extending almost into the diaphragm, much as Metra's units do.
Soooo...what era are you looking to match? I'm hoping it's not one that obligates you to the Hawker Siddley cars that have never been made in any form by anyone!
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Post by cargostar on Dec 18, 2011 23:35:51 GMT -5
Also...in the pic of 504, the second "box" is MIA
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Post by CP_8530 on Dec 21, 2011 2:20:17 GMT -5
Here's what it looks like to me:
1) Original as-built rear end (600-series shots, 9800's in old colours) 2) Rebuilt rear end, extended up as well as all the way back, no anticlimber, no room to walk around (mid-70's 9800's in green/white paint like that 9804 shot, and renumbered 500's with blocky number font) 3) Anticlimber added in order to get around the rear end, checking photos the mod appears to have been done sometime between 1980 to 1986 (500's with the rounder numbers, like that 504 shot which was probably not from the 70's but the 80's - sometimes that guy's photos are not dated correctly). Mod can be noted by sideways stanchions on the rear edges. 4) And then the Amtrak era where they had their own fun with them. In addition to the rear being modified, Amtrak eventually swapped those Blomberg B trucks for Blomberg M's. And then the GP38H-3 rebuilding, etc.
All this for 8 oddball units built in 1967 that are still running today in passenger service. Geez, they've even outlasted the F40's.
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Post by iomalley on Dec 21, 2011 8:21:17 GMT -5
Yeah, Jim Parker is brutal at dating his photos...has many GP9 shots labelled "The 50's" with the CN noodle scheme.
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Post by John on Dec 22, 2011 3:40:01 GMT -5
I didn't think athearn genesis cabs or hoods were available as spare parts? I tried to get a replacement SD70 cab a few months ago without any luck.
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Post by cargostar on Dec 22, 2011 10:17:03 GMT -5
The only Athearn parts I have used are the trucks, motor, and driveshafts. I would contact Athearn directly for parts availabilty.
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Post by cargostar on Feb 6, 2012 15:28:16 GMT -5
Well.....I finally came up with a decent rear end shot, so, I'm going to stick with it and finish this thing!!
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