Well this will be the first project that I post and it will be an "in progress" set of postings. As of now I haven't posted photos so if this doesn't work I will try again. I have an Athearn C44-9W and an Atlas C40-8 that I'm bashing to make a C40-9 standard cab. I have done kitbashes before but this one is different in that I have to figure out how to fit the two pieces together like a puzzle. The dash 8 cab will somehow go on the dash 9 body and frame. Both locomotives were my parts locos so the dash 9 has no guts and the dash 8 is externally missing pieces in places. I hate to repaint two U.P. lokies but it's worth it in the end.
....BTW I am NOT an NS modeler usually so I want all the input I can get on this project please!
Can anyone tell me what the little box shaped thing is behind the conductors side of the cab?
That would be a basket for holding spare coupler knuckles; Plano Models now has them in PE brass. What a coinkiedink that you started this topic today; I found it because I'm considering doing the same project, LOL
Post by beentherecnthat on Dec 1, 2009 10:35:54 GMT -5
My brother is planning to do one of these and we did find one issue to keep in mind: if you look at a dash 8 and dash 9, you will notice the dash 9 has a lower walkway and thinner sidesill while the overall heights of the two types match. In order to use the standars cab/nose, you will need taller battery boxes and the nose will need to be heightened slightly as well. Do some quick measurements from walkway to roof on both shells and you will see what I mean.
Post by wvsecondary on Dec 1, 2009 15:17:43 GMT -5
Couple of other things to keep in mind. Front and rear handrails are different them almost anything out there. They will need to be made out of Smokey Valley Stanchions and wire. Rear Anticlimber is same size as front to that would need to be redone as well. RMC had an two part series on making these. It is a little outdated as you can make it with newer kits than what they use (RPP). You can make a fairly close representation with what you have though. Up to you how "complete" you want it.
Post by mosteam3985 on Dec 1, 2009 17:23:57 GMT -5
Thanks guys! I had a feeling that it was a knuckle basket but I wasn't for sure since there are spare knuckles hanging on the rear of this locomotive. I will have to pick up some smokey valley stanchions and take a look at the nose height. Hey cyeargin, do you know which one to buy? I looked at Plano and they have like 6 different baskets. Just not sure which one it is.
Well here we are. It's 2:30 in the morning and I'm finally about ready to go to bed but I had to post some pics first of the loco.
First, I removed all the detail work off of the Atlas cab and hood and the Athearn body. Most of the details on the Athearn body were unwanted so I removed the horn, air conditioner, tool box, and also shaved off a couple of molded things that I don't like because they are too chunky.
My next big step was the front pilot. I observed on the prototype that there were 4 steps with the fifth being the walkway. On the Athearn dash 9 there are 5 steps with the 6th being the walkway. This presented a problem as the front pilot was the same but the steps were different. There fore I did a little kitbashing and put the pilot/steps from the dash8 onto the dash 9 after removing Athearn's factory pilot/steps. I wasn't too worried on how the walkway on top would turn out gap wise because it will be getting a layer of tread material later. I have to remove the Atlas anticlimber and put the Athearn anticlimber back on as my next step. This front pilot is a mess!! The prototype is a conglomeration of a dash8 and dash9 pilot and I am having to make good use of my razor saw ALOT as a result....but that's the fun in modeling
Overall I think this part turned out ok but I now realize there was probably much easier ways to do this but hindsight is always 20/20. Now I have to shape the Atlas pilot like the Athearn pilot and put the Athearn anticlimber in place of the Atlas one. Sheesh!
Well I was able to make a little more progress tonight after work so I'm posting more photos. As most projects go I will probably do a whole lot here in the beginning and then let it drift to the edge of the workbench for a year or so ;D
This first pic is of the removed Atlas anticlimber and the Athearn anticlimber that I pirated off of the old pilot before installation.
This next pic is of the Athearn dash9 with Atlas steps/pilot and Athearn anticlimber.
This pic is of the Atlas pilot with Athearn anticlimber installed. Note the Before/After on the Left/Right side of the pilot as to the mods on the pilot itself.
These last pics are of the before and after on the plow I'm using. It's a DW PL-180. It's not the correct plow so I had to modify it. I made it kind of rough in the end on purpose because the prototype plow is pretty beat up from road rash.
Post by mosteam3985 on Dec 13, 2009 1:06:16 GMT -5
I have completed the body work for the front of the locomotive. I have yet to reapply details and add new ones. I will also be adding tread to the walkways but that's for another day. Anyway, I will post some pics here. I modified things per the suggestions by bntherecnthat and wvsecondary. Thanks guys for your help! I began work on the internal junk tonight and am pretty sick and tired of it. The ONE part of this hobby that I hate is wiring and anything electrical. I HATE it. I wish it was all body work but it just can't all be that easy.
As you can see I used the battery boxes off of the Atlas unit and the cab/nose off of the Atlas unit. Everything up front is a conglomeration of bits and pieces from both units. I have yet to add slamlocks to the batt doors but it's coming. Also I hightened the nose with a piece of 20 thousandths styrene and also shimmed the batt box door sections away from the athearn frame. I think everything turned out alright. By the way, I apologize for the blurry photos. I hate blurry photos but it's all I have right this second.
Mosteam, you got a nice build going on here, keep it coming. I do want to point out to you that you need to keep your pics to the 800 pixels please. Cropping your pics will help, then resize. Really, our head honcho is going to go nuts again. But, do keep it coming! Really nice work!
Modeling the Reading Railroad and what ever floats my boat
Post by mosteam3985 on Dec 13, 2009 23:22:41 GMT -5
First off I would like to apologize to everyone for the picture sizes. I didn't realize I was causing an issue and I didn't honestly know my pics were too big but now I have got it figured out I think. ;D
Ok, anyway, I have completed the first spray on this loco and it's next step is the clear gloss. Unfortunately after I spray gloss clear it will go back in the box for a bit as I am waiting on decals and don't know what to do about front and rear handrails yet.
Anyway here are some pics. You can see the new homemade rear anticlimber and I am in the middle of fixing/applying custom cut tread plate. That stuff just plain sucks to cut and work with accurately without bending it up and junk.
Post by tankcarsrule on Dec 16, 2009 5:53:01 GMT -5
The Athearn AC4400 demo has the correct rad. compartment. You could splice it on with some effort. With your skills, I'm sure you could do it. Don't feel bad, you are one of many that made this same mistake.
Yes I was going to mention that...but like tankcarsrule said, all you need to do it splice it out of the C40-9 and splice the correct one out of an AC4400 and just glue it in place. I always try to start with NS catfish when doing these, as they already have the correct grills.
The engineer's front cab heater is flush with the front cab wall. Earlier units had them totally in the cab. I'm not saying that all of the C40-9s were like this, but most that I have been on. This means making a box below the windshield.
Well I have put this on the edge of the workbench for now. I need to find some replacement grills and I think I am going to strip and repaint this. It didn't turn out quite like I planned. ANYWAY....I have moved on to a project for my father...(you know us modelers, it's never just ONE at once). I am taking the Atlas Extended vision caboose and pretty much changing EVERYTHING to make it into a CN steel caboose. My dad said "here take this and paint it for me." Well after giving it some thought I decided to not only paint it but actually model it correctly. I will post pics when I'm done as that should be fairly soon (HA HA). Sorry for the lag in this model. Just need to work up the motivation to pull her back out and redo those radiator grills.