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Post by countryroads on Nov 16, 2019 23:20:13 GMT -5
I know port Gardner bay at Everett is deep enough to allow the fish processing ship the Alindeska sea (don't quote me on correct spelling) of near 338+feet 50ft beam, 29ft depth with a draft of 18ft.
On October 22 1982 she caught fire burned for about a week, Then went down stern first the bow disappearing under the water after hitting bottom the bow came back out of the water about 30-40 feet before sliding back under stern first for the last time back in the 80's if I remember right.
They say 240 feet deep in that area but it had to be more as the whole ship was under before the bow came back up.
I remember this as it was across from the original bn/amtrak Depot and just to the right of anaconda aluminum's import dome.
Was there every day was interesting to say the least.
So that should give you some depth of the bay in and around Everett.
Hope this helps
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Post by sbcarshops on Nov 19, 2019 17:32:13 GMT -5
Wow! What a story, and good info too. That definitely gives me some ballparks for depth in the area, and I'll explore into that more as I progress with the history and finalize plans too! Thank you!
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Post by sbcarshops on Nov 24, 2019 3:49:02 GMT -5
So I was messing about tonight and, while I am still experimenting with a paint scheme, I made some progress. This one seems to hold the most promise so far, but I'm not set on it yet. Especially the Colors. The front Stripes were meant to be white too whoops. I am not sure Black and Blue is the way to go for the moment but its a good place holder for the time being
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Post by countryroads on Dec 8, 2019 14:44:25 GMT -5
Any further updates
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Post by sbcarshops on Jan 4, 2020 0:44:33 GMT -5
Happy New Year all! just wrapped up the busy season at work - second only to July 4th lol. 18k days with just 3 of us definitely makes for busy weeks. That being said I don't have any REAL updates to post about. Always thinking and refining the story and track plan as much as I can not having the space for it. I do have some ideas to continue to mock up in Photoshop and moving forward from there. I did mess with the colors a smidge and can post that at least ;P This one is meant to be a dark gray base and the orange for a pop of color. I feel like this is simple and effective but lacking some sort of cohesion or oomph in a way i cant place a finger on.
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Post by sbcarshops on Jan 9, 2020 3:04:35 GMT -5
Good Evening Everyone! So after trying to design a look for a freight car that came out pretty hideous ROFL! I was looking back through some older iterations of the deign process and a couple different designs sorta meshed together and it seemed good. So I sat down on my last two days off and setup a good PSD to play with colors and logos and such. That being said I think I've come up with a pretty solid scheme at least maybe a Beta release. I'm still tweaking colors and it needs a little pop of an accent color... BUT its a good foundation. What I like is that It finally looks like a plausible scheme AND has a nice nod to GN in the nose as well which I'm happy with, and a nice break up between front and Rear too. The Rear has a nice nod to the Missouri Pacific - which doesn't have any immediate ties to the CBRT but breaks up the rear in a clean and simple way. I'm not sold on the bottom safety stripes but the idea is nice albeit busy. So far i can set it up with either a Black Chassis, Silver Chassis, or a Silver Chassis with Black trucks to see what works best. But here is the current scheme with both a Black and a Silver Chassis and a yellow sill stripe. White Sill Striping is an option but sort of gets lost a little. Ive been messing around with a GN Blue, and a maroon too. But so far this ATSF blue as I'm calling it seems to pop the most. The Next two are pretty much the same just showing the GN Blue and the Maroon. The GN blue (at least the color I'm using here) gets lost in the gray a little bit. This one isn't out (especially given the GN heritage of my route) but might need some real world paint chips to get a better feel for it. And finally the Maroon - just a color that seems to look good with Gray. I do have a MoW Scheme (Orange or Safety Green :-P ) in the works too which will be related but much simpler. Thanks for looking and looking forward to feedback!
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Post by countryroads on Jan 9, 2020 23:47:12 GMT -5
If your modeling modern since Around 2010.
Yellow safety striping is required by regs.
Just an FYI.
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Post by EMDX6043 on Jan 11, 2020 8:05:27 GMT -5
If your modeling modern since Around 2010. Yellow safety striping is required by regs. Just an FYI.
That's not the whole story.
Pursuant to 49 CFR 224.103, "FRA 224 Striping" can be yellow OR white. The Carrier needs slightly more of the white striping to meet the square footage requirements and the final date for 100% Locomotive fleet application was November 28, 2010. Carriers had to have a minimum of 40% of the fleet equipped with FRA 224 striping beginning on November 28, 2007 so that's really when the stuff started to become noticeable, in my opinion.
There's more pedantic info available on the eCFR.gov website.
Anyways...
I like the second scheme you posted (blue/gray with silver trucks) but if it were up to me, I'd eliminate the thin white striping on the front/rear pilots and I'd use white sill striping to match the numbering.
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Post by ironstef70 on Jan 11, 2020 8:20:46 GMT -5
Indeed, CP uses white safety stripes, and CN uses yellow.
I really like the latest blue/grey livery you have posted. Will make for a challenging, but realistic and uncommon paint job.
Stephane
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Post by countryroads on Jan 11, 2020 18:04:39 GMT -5
If your modeling modern since Around 2010. Yellow safety striping is required by regs. Just an FYI.
That's not the whole story.
Pursuant to 49 CFR 224.103, "FRA 224 Striping" can be yellow OR white. The Carrier needs slightly more of the white striping to meet the square footage requirements and the final date for 100% Locomotive fleet application was November 28, 2010. Carriers had to have a minimum of 40% of the fleet equipped with FRA 224 striping beginning on November 28, 2007 so that's really when the stuff started to become noticeable, in my opinion.
There's more pedantic info available on the eCFR.gov website.
Anyways...
I like the second scheme you posted (blue/gray with silver trucks) but if it were up to me, I'd eliminate the thin white striping on the front/rear pilots and I'd use white sill striping to match the numbering.
Thanks for the information thought it was Yellow was the Required but should of figured with the NS still in white.
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Post by sbcarshops on Jan 12, 2020 23:02:25 GMT -5
Thanks for all the suggestions! Its nice to have a scheme finally coming together! I'll see about no white stripes on the pilots and maybe one with thicker 'less busy' ones too.
The safety stripes are good information and something I'll move forward with too. I know NS has reflective paint on their logos, the nose wings, and the sill stripe. So that's an option too. But these are baby steps and good progress so I'll take it! Next step will be to make some vectors and decals and mock up some locos lol!
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Post by sbcarshops on Jan 15, 2020 5:12:39 GMT -5
Had some time tonight so made a few quick changes. Made one with less lower pilot stripes (might make them wider too not sure yet) and some with no stripes too. Kept the ATSF Blue and Silver Trucks and made this with the White Sill Stripes too. Less pilot safety stripes No stripes
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Post by EMDX6043 on Jan 15, 2020 9:35:46 GMT -5
Looks good!
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Post by cemr5396 on Jan 15, 2020 14:05:21 GMT -5
I agree. I think I liked it better with black on the bottom, but this works too. One thing I would consider doing would be to move the logo on the hood forwards so that grille doesn't interfere with it.
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Post by sbcarshops on Mar 18, 2020 16:58:21 GMT -5
Afternoon all! Haven't made much progress on this yet, but did start working a framework for a module so maybe some real world construction will begin soon. At the very least in a 2x4' area. Just haven't decided if I'm doing something for the CBRT integration when I get a full sized layout or for an N-scale layout just depends on space for the time being. cemr5396 I'll take that into consideration, I want to try a few different layouts too. In the beginning I had BN style rear numbers and I still sort of gravitating towards that. That would take care of the vent/logo issue too.
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Post by sbcarshops on May 14, 2020 1:10:06 GMT -5
Good Evening Everyone, I hope everyone has been well despite the way things have been in the world! I've been decent myself despite working so much! Well that aside I had taken a hard look at my CBRT today and thought my most recent Scheme had been good, and almost there - but lacking something. I couldn't place my finger on it. Something akin to being too busy, too complicated, or not railroad-y enough. I sketched out some things tonight and threw a variation together and with out further ado Here we go! This one is in Great Northern Blue and I did start one in a Darker Blue (think CIT Leasing Blue) and will try to get that finished sometime soon to compare. Comments and Crits Always Welcome! Also with this being a little bit closer to my GN heritage, and moving the logo to the cab led me to test this sort of GN Style Hearld more so than my other one. I threw the OLS in to test the use of that space for logos other than my main - since putting the CBRT logo there is an option too. But with the Numbers on the Rear (snice my logo was interfering with the louvers) the Cab looked weird being Empty with the logo in the middle of the hood so I tested this way out.
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Post by countryroads on May 14, 2020 23:42:06 GMT -5
Looks Great has that GN/Oakway/MP/BN look.
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Post by fr8kar on May 15, 2020 0:22:35 GMT -5
The horizontal white band on the OLS scheme might give you trouble when it comes time to paint and decal. I'd move it down below the radiator grille. That might give an interference to the OLS gate logo, so it might need to be resized or played with to get it to work with the white band. And you might want to move the round herald up out of the door latches on the subbase. It's not just difficult from a practical standpoint it will make any design or words in that part of the logo difficult to discern. Maybe put a larger company logo and name on the back half of the long hood and the OLS logo on the front half?
The barricade stripes on the end might look better if they were the same width as the white band or the chevrons on the long hood end. To my eye it's a little distracting that the barricade stripes point the opposite direction of the chevrons. Ferromex puts their barricade stripes on the actual plow instead of behind it and it really pops, so that's something you might consider. It also might be easy to do compared to placing the decal over all the details on the pilot face, not that it helps on the rear though.
If you take the version posted on January 15 and move the logo forward so the teardrop image is over the engine room doors and the name is under the front half of the radiator grilles it would get the name out of the intake grille at the conductor's side rear. It would also allow you move the name up a little bit which would help accommodate the blower duct found on SD70MAC and older EMD locomotives. The top of the blower duct is just under the bottom of the engine room doors, so the Operation Lifesaver logo would have to moved up slightly to fit on an older locomotive.
You might also be able to make the logo a bit larger, which would look good, in my opinion. You might need to move the blue field and stripes forward a bit to accommodate a larger version of the logo, but I think it would be an improvement. The same is true of the nose logo: go bigger and make the top of the blue band higher to accommodate it. This would make the top of the blue band closer to the bottom of the window and it would allow more blue space to surround the white numbers giving more contrast than the thin section of blue above and below the numbers separating them from the gray. The more I try to imagine this the more I like the same scheme with the red and lighter blue colors you used earlier, though there is a bit of danger the light blue field blends in with the logo.
One other thing: I think the black fuel tank, trucks and underframe looks better than the silver. Back when railroads put their equipment through a wash rack on a regular basis silver/aluminum trucks looked awesome (think pre-MP/WP merger UP), but anymore they don't get washed unless they're going to be pulling an officer special and they just end up looking unkempt after awhile. Sure, when they're fresh out of the paint shop they look amazing. But it doesn't last more than a couple months without regular cleaning.
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Post by sgoti on May 15, 2020 20:43:15 GMT -5
I'll echo Ryan's comments.
I mean this as a critique and not criticism, but it always amazes me how many people design paint schemes with logos, striping, and so forth going into and right over vents, grills, screens, and other openings like they did not exist.
Take a look at what the D&RGW did on their SD50 and GP60 locomotives.
On the SD50, the wing of the "d" had to be painted onto the frame of the forward radiator screen on the conductor's side. It fit, but just barely.
On the GP60, the entire logo was shrunk down enough so it would fit under the radiator screens.
Having said that, I think all your proposed schemes are quite attractive, and can't wait to see one on a finished model.
Stay safe, and take care!
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Post by sbcarshops on Jun 3, 2020 2:32:52 GMT -5
Good Evening Everyone! Ok so I have been busy! Looked at all the suggestions and incorporated some into a new iteration. Also in making a working circular logo i did some tinkering. I looked at what some railroads have done, GN for example, how they use a (I call it a negative) 1 color logo on freight cars etc. I came up with a logo more along those lines but still keeping true to the original one I came up with. I have also started messing around with freight car colors and placements, and how and when I want to use some designs. as for that last statement thinking more along the lines of how say there's a current union pacific shield logo and back in the 90's the cars just said Union Pacific etc. I also contacted the person who designed the Seattle and North Coast Modern Scheme about using that as a Heritage Unit for the CRBT. Ok long story short. this is picture heavy... and every post is much closer to a finalized design. and in all seriousness, I think I've got the main scheme done - minus choosing where in time a particular scheme might fall, or say relegating the full color herald to OCS equipment only etc. New Herald Logo - I decided on Gold for an Accent Color. oh! and I made the colors of the logo a little more railroad colors, and tying in all the colors across the equipment. The Blue is now Big sky Blue and the Green is now Cascade Green - as opposed to some random blue or green etc. Scheme A - Still working only on the SD70. More Locomotives will come eventually. Big Text, 1 Color Logo. I moved the Stripe down, and got rid of the lower safety striping in lieu of the Chevrons - it seemed redundant to try and do both. Especially if i decide to make them reflective like NS does but thats another ADD thought rofl! Scheme B - Full Color Hearld. Big Center Text - I also Tried this one with the Cab Number on the Long Hood and that left the Cab pretty Bare unless I added a CBRT to the Cab which is something I can Try. Scheme C - Big Center Text, Number on the Long Hood, and Small Color Hearld on the Cab Those are the Main candidates for the Main Scheme at this current time. Next I have the iterations of the Freight cars I was designing. For the most part the Logos are the only Main Differences. At this time I'm considering either a Gray, Mineral Red, Cascade Green, or Big Sky Blue for company rolling stock colors. Cobalt Blue (Think CIT leasing) is an alternative. This Car is Cascade Green with the Full Color Herald Only. This sort of works for me, sort of doesn't, and what is the main consideration for keeping the full color herald on say OCS equipment as opposed to general revenue equipment. I was only considering Cascade Green to utilize the green in the logo. or Even say keep for anniversary or special equipment etc - ok rambeling now lol This Car is another Cascade Green Car with the 1 color logo. This Car is Gray with just the Big Text in the middle in lieu of a logo. This car is Mineral Red and what I call the Combined Logo - The 1 color Logo and Text. This Car is Big Sky Blue with the combined logo same as above. Ok I know this is a lot and as always Comments and crits are welcome!
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