osrr
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Post by osrr on Aug 13, 2015 14:44:27 GMT -5
Thinkin of gettin into a freelance DT&I. Searching the internet, I see Railflyer made EMD jackpads. Unfortunately it appears they're out of business.
Does anyone else makes these or am I stuck to watching ebay?
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Post by nsc39d8 on Aug 13, 2015 15:26:12 GMT -5
Cannon & Co makes EMD jacking pads. Very nice parts.
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Post by osrr on Aug 13, 2015 15:57:10 GMT -5
It appears they do. I can only find them of "SD" models though. I need "GP".
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Post by tjmfishing on Aug 13, 2015 16:53:21 GMT -5
Are they not the same pads?
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osrr
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Post by osrr on Aug 13, 2015 17:09:24 GMT -5
Are they not the same pads? Honestly, I'm not sure. I'm finding that info is scarce to come by. |
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fr8kar
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Post by fr8kar on Aug 13, 2015 17:26:41 GMT -5
You might try contacting Chris at Layout IOE, which is the company that succeeded Railflyer. He may have some still in stock or perhaps he could direct you to a hobby shop or dealer who might have them.
GP jack pads are distinct from the different versions of SD jack pads. The extra jack pads are necessary for anyone modeling Mopac since their GP units had two pair at each end.
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osrr
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Post by osrr on Aug 13, 2015 20:11:51 GMT -5
You might try contacting Chris at Layout IOE, which is the company that succeeded Railflyer. He may have some still in stock or perhaps he could direct you to a hobby shop or dealer who might have them. GP jack pads are distinct from the different versions of SD jack pads. The extra jack pads are necessary for anyone modeling Mopac since their GP units had two pair at each end. Kind of surprised the few that are doing the 3D printing through shapeways hasn't come out with them... or atleast Cannon hasn't done the GP version (I may shoot them an email). Do you have a link to a website? Google gives me something that doesn't seem right but, its down either way. |
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Post by tjmfishing on Aug 13, 2015 21:36:22 GMT -5
This wouldn't be a great part to 3D print. You can't get a solvent bond with the laser sintered nylon they use and with such a small surface for adhesion, they would get knocked off in a heartbeat.
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fr8kar
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Post by fr8kar on Aug 13, 2015 21:44:19 GMT -5
I checked in on the Layout IOE website earlier today and it worked, but now it appears to be down. The link I used is: www.layout-ioe.comSome of the former Railflyer products can be found under accessories and at one time this included some of the variations on jack pads. |
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Post by dtinut on Aug 13, 2015 23:42:06 GMT -5
Probably the easiest way to collect some, would be to pick up some cut up Athearn shells you can harvest them from.
That is what I have done. Another way would be to buy some of the Atlas walkways for either the GP38/40/40-2.
They are only 3-4 bucks a pieces, and you can harvest them from those. Probably as cheap as buying the RFPM jacking pads which were nice, but too expensive for 4 little itsy-bitsy parts.
I model the DT&I, so I know what you mean - I have cast up some in the past, but don't currently have any extra's lying about to offer... sorry!
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osrr
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Post by osrr on Aug 14, 2015 17:43:06 GMT -5
Probably the easiest way to collect some, would be to pick up some cut up Athearn shells you can harvest them from. That is what I have done. Another way would be to buy some of the Atlas walkways for either the GP38/40/40-2. They are only 3-4 bucks a pieces, and you can harvest them from those. Probably as cheap as buying the RFPM jacking pads which were nice, but too expensive for 4 little itsy-bitsy parts. I model the DT&I, so I know what you mean - I have cast up some in the past, but don't currently have any extra's lying about to offer... sorry! That's a good idea. I never thought of that. Just to let everyone know, Cannon did email me back. He says there's no current plans for the "GP" Jack pads. |
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Post by nsc39d8 on Aug 15, 2015 15:19:22 GMT -5
Yeah, Dave is a one man show with Cannon & Co., I have talked with him at RPM meets and via email. He tries to keep up with the parts demand and revise the tooling as needed. I know he is working on revisions for several kits that everyone wants at this time. He does supply nice parts and I will continue to support his efforts in our hobby.
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Post by osrr on Aug 15, 2015 20:08:47 GMT -5
Yeah, Dave is a one man show with Cannon & Co., I have talked with him at RPM meets and via email. He tries to keep up with the parts demand and revise the tooling as needed. I know he is working on revisions for several kits that everyone wants at this time. He does supply nice parts and I will continue to support his efforts in our hobby. Yea, for sure. He makes some fantastic parts. I'm plannin to do a set of GP15T's in DT&I (there again, the whole freelance thing). They'll see some C&C parts. |
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Post by rjm on Sept 9, 2015 15:06:50 GMT -5
OK I give! The purpose of these pads was to jack up the frame? I don't know enough to even phrase the question of when, why and what all used this part.
RJ
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Post by dtinut on Sept 9, 2015 19:58:07 GMT -5
Well, if the loco needed to be lifted it offers a point where the jack could be placed to lift the loco.
Nowdays I rarely see any jacks being used but instead cranes. But, i don't work for RR, so am not exactly sure what practice is today....
Can't say I have ever seen the jack pads in use, just a detail I have to add to be correct to prototype.
Regards,
Brian
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Post by icghogger on Sept 10, 2015 8:28:20 GMT -5
RJ, those are the points for lifting a locomotive using shop jacks. The top pad of the jack also has a safety ring that raises up around the back side of the jacking pad to hold the jack in place as the piston is raised. This is to keep the jack from slipping out from under the jacking pad under load. Most shop jacks are air operated and work off a single control manifold so that jacks will rise evenly as the locomotive is lifted. They are always used in pairs, never as a single.
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Post by iomalley on Sept 10, 2015 17:13:26 GMT -5
And if you're doing rudimentary repairs like fixing broken trucks springs, the crane is overkill. A couple air jacks can make easy work of spring changeouts. Also, if they use the crane to lift, the jackpads are a good place to set the unit down on sans trucks. With 8 jack pads it makes it easy, lift by one set of 4, and set down on the other set of 4.
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Post by rjm on Sept 12, 2015 11:47:47 GMT -5
Thanks Tom & Sean, sort of though that was the case. Now the question is when did they start applying the pad and did they ever stop? Were they factory applied per order or did each railroad apply them. Had my home in LA. moved to its present site using this technology, back 30 years ago. Gives me a great modeling point for one of my FT's when not in excursion service!
RJ
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